To: Lhn5 who wrote (18057 ) 11/28/2006 8:07:23 PM From: Frank A. Coluccio Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 46821 Hi Lhn5, You stated: "...However, as far as switching carriers goes...if I want to move my family plan it would cost me 4 x 175 in termination fees to do so. I would have to be HIGHLY motivated to change...and of course all the contracts expire at different times." Let's see. You quoted 4 x $175? I've been told by friends (indeed, I've seen it in my own household once or twice, but for extraordinary reasons) and have read in print where some children's individual text-messaging bills routinely range into the hundreds of dollars per month. Some approach the $700 bogie you're looking at, and I dare say that some may even run higher, until they get bagged. Opening up the interface and comingling traffic with WiFi through internetworking arrangemens could result in lower fares, and some relief might result, but it's anybody's guess as to how much. What dollar amount would serve your need if you projected over the next year or two? How much pain could you withstand up front in the way of termination penalties in order to see relief down the road, and what would that maximum time horizon need to be? There's more to this than the mere opening of interfaces. I recently came across the article below. It spells out many of the traps and gotchas that cause real life parents to occasionally wish they'd never seen a cellphone and stuck to coin operated- and forty-pound desktop phones with rotary dials on them, instead: --- Saving money on kids' mobile phone bills Debra Cleveland November 8, 2006theage.com.au . --- re: "with increased penetration of WIFI and the gradually increasing availability of dual cell and VOIP phones, how will the carriers grow their businesses as the toll portions of portable phone use gradually decreases? Can they make it up somehow on the broadband end?" We're seeing this now, only we're seeing it happen on the wirelines side first, which is a part of the "broadband end" that you suggest they are "making it up on." Ironically, the other part of "broadband" is the very 3G wireless service that you're referring to, in the first place! It's easy, if not tempting, to posit that the long path of cannibalization will ultimately lead service provider pricing to approach zero. However, it seems that, with every move in that direction, they have a means of countering, as evidenced by the frills and gimmicks they make available in the article I cited above (URL). For the time being revenue erosion is taking place on the wireline voice (POTS) side. To offset this, telcos are banking on triple plays to pull them out of the swamp at some point. But this, too, is extremely dicey. Witness the penetration rates already achieved by the cablecos in the areas that the telcos are looking at for salvation. And the cablecos aren't standing still, either. If the telcos cannot make their breakeven projections by 2008 or 2009 and begin showing profits by then, then I suspect that they will either look to their wireless properties to subsidize the wireline side, or, more likely, given shareholder interests that are involved, they may decide to sell off whatever it is that isn't working for them at that time, as they have been known to do. And then of course, it's entirely possible that they'll flourish and thrive with the right twists of fate. The former of those potential outcomes represents a juncture where something highly radical can potentially take place, should they decide to abandon their 3-plays, even if only hypothetically at this time, and that would be some form of taking or receivership of wireline properties under a form of management that I could only guess about at this time. But for certain, if they tank and show no immediate signs of revival by some point in time, they're going to become history. I'd look for similar types of dymamics to affect wireless with time, too. Can it come down to the service providers shedding their tonnage of back office and "services" areas in order to lighten their capex and opex nuts, allowing them, thus, to compete more leanly on the merits of their wire --or wireless, as the case may be-- capabilities (sans services), alone? That too is often discussed in some circles, as is the opposite outcome, as well. If it appears that I'm waffling over this, consider, there is a still another election to go before it's time for the telcos to make their nut. FAC ------