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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (13470)	12/3/2006 3:44:50 PM
From: LTK007	Respond to of 22250

I think Rumsfeld and Cheney and Negroponte et al made their decision some time BEFORE Samarra. Their decision was that this is now a war for survival , and it is against Iran, and that they had come to realize finally that they had greatly empowered Iran and that their initial mission was a total disaster.Reality had come crashing down on their heads, and that is when they shifted to support the Sunni and go against the Shi'ites, as they were lost to Iran, already. This would be around the time there were murderous mass death suicide attacks against Shias that then that led into Samarra soon after. i like to pointout that a two pargraphh EXPLOSIVE bit of info appeared in Time Magazine one week several months before Samarra. Time Magazine must have received a call immediately after publication advising them NEVER to touch that subject again, and it was AN ORDER from the most powerful. What was in that couple of paragraphs. It was stated that our special forces were forming alliances with the Baathist and Sunni Jihadist, that the head man on the Iraqi Baathist was operating out of Damascus. And that the WH had his phone number and they USED that phone number.(they also had his house address) It also stated U.S. special forces provided him protection when he moved into and out of Iraq.His name was given in Time Magazine. i would bet those words do not appear in the Time Magazine Archives now, and only those that had the original printed issue still have access to these damning words, words that the writer, a Busher(at least then) thought was innocent reporting. i foolishly threw that issue out, as is my custom with Time Magazine. i suggest that issue be found, i made some post on FC referring to it, so from that i can pin down the date of the issue. As i remember the writer was , imagine this:)-- was Joe Klein. Regards Samarra, it was initially reported and then KILLED, that a special forces group shut down all roads leading into the Samarra Mosque, and that was AFTER the destroyers of the Dome had entered the Mosque. It is estimated it took up to 12 hours to place and set the charges to bring the Golden Dome down. Curiously all security guards were gone. It was a meticulous operation that required our assistance,imSo:)Max imSo =s in my STRONG opinion.

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (13470)	12/3/2006 5:05:03 PM
From: SFW	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 22250

Crimson, RE: the sunni-shiite conflict. The Saudis are playing with fire by openly supporting some sunni factions in iraq and lebanon. The real danger will be that this conflict spreads into an uncontrollable series of civil wars in the oil-rich gulf countries, which have sizeable oppressed shiite minorities. The Sunni-shiite conflict is yet another way to distract the citizens of Middle East dictatorships. Hey look there, the sunnis are coming, or the shiites are coming. Now go fight each other and forget about corruption, poverty and lack of democracy. The most outspoken supporters of the current lebanese government are the Saudis, president mobarak and the king of Jordan, one of which is a shinning example of democracy. One country stands to benefit from such a conflict and that is Israel, for the simple reason that a sunni-shiite war would weaken Israel's main enemies, Syria and Iran and may lead to the fragmentation of arab countries into mini-states divided along ethnic and religious lines. As for "The Lebanese government has nearly doubled the size of its security forces in recent months by adding about 11,000 mostly Sunni Muslim and Christian troops, and has armed them with weapons and vehicles donated by the United Arab Emirates, a Sunni state.". Good luck with that, given how the shiites were able to repel attacks by an Israeli army 3 times the size and perhaps a 100 times better equipped than this security force. Moreover, the anti-government coalition in Lebanon is in fact composed of shiite, christian and sunni parties that oppose a government that itself is supported by other sunni and christian parties, but no significant shiite parties.

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (13470)	12/3/2006 5:43:56 PM
From: denizen48	Respond to of 22250

Usually a "VICTORY" goes to the victor. And I've been wondering whom we wanted that to be. Over the past three years I got the impression that was the Shiites. But then, what do I know about Iraq? I do know that it has to be the absolute height of stupidity if our policy was to support the Sunnis in the end. Of course, from an American point of view, this war has been the greatest folly we've ever committed anyway. Oh man, oh man...... On the bright side, SNL had one of the greatest opening skits of a press conference with Malaki and GWB.