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To: creede who wrote (1285)	12/4/2006 2:00:11 PM
From: Rascal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1521

I love it when you talk sexxy, I mean,logically. Give me a renaissance man, any day. When was the last time you lost an argument? You must drive people crazy. Rascal@AppreciatesCriticalThinking.com

To: creede who wrote (1285)	12/4/2006 2:31:31 PM
From: im a survivor	Respond to of 1521

That is exactly what I am saying. And this is why they call this arena 'the casino'. Truth and honesty are not the norm in this arena and NO, you should NOT be surprised if you find out a company has not been 100% honest. If you play in this arena and are going to get upset if you find out a company has not been 100% forthright, you are going to find yourself 'upset' quite often. Stocks/companies in this arena are NOT investments...they are gambles. Show me a list of companies in this arena that have been 100% honest and were solid long term investments and it will be a very, very short list and for every success story coming from this arena there are 200 times more that fail. Creede, you yourself should know this......how many times and with how many companies did you think the company was legit and the ceo honest and forthright, only to find out after the fact the company was not 100% honest and nor was the ceo? You seem to not want to accept that 'deception' is the norm in this arena. As far as disclaimers...I wont even bother trying to discuss that with you....You seem to think sljb's disclaimer is rare, when the fact is most companies disclaimers in this arena read very similar and that again is the norm, not the exception in this arena. Frankly, I am sorta shocked you read sljb's disclaimer and think it is somehow 'unique', as if I posted a list of 'ugly discalimers' from companies in this arena, I would be typing for years...... Lastly, your argument seems to be that if you feel a company has been deceptive then you are going to speak up...hey, I have no problem with that at all....but I do question why you are not 'speaking up' on the multitude of deceptive companies in this arena...after all....there are multi-thousands to keep you busy if your goal is to expose 'deceptive' companies and bash them...... <<I should just say it's part of the game, and move on.>> YEP, YOU SAID IT!!! You dont really think this is 'investing' do you?? IT IS GAMBLING and NOTHING MORE. As I said, if you are going to get in a tizzy every time a company in this arena is not 100% forthright, you best have your blood pressure meds handy at all times and be prepared to throw ALOT of tizy's....

To: creede who wrote (1285)	12/4/2006 4:33:15 PM
From: lesurazz	Respond to of 1521

Keep spinning those wheels and you might get your mind in a rut! I think appropriate disclosure is at issue, and P.V could have used a better choice of words like: Hope to have the figures by Nov 15....but he didn't...so comon' Jed get the rope! This is a real Wild West Show... Try a little faith and paitence....what have you got to loose?

To: creede who wrote (1285)	12/4/2006 5:11:10 PM
From: lesurazz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1521

I get time to change all the wording, subject matter, etc.. but I can't take back the fact that I said anything at all....I just hit the wrong button, and all this BS is retoric so I don't get acussed of repeating my self....I DON'T STUDDER!

To: creede who wrote (1285)	12/5/2006 12:01:34 AM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1521

Creede, if a company is a non reporting pink sheet, they deserve absolutely no benefit of the doubt. None. Zilch. Treat them as a full-fledged scam. I mean in your own mind, of course. At least until you see red flags that are typical of scams. Then, at your discretion, share them with others to see if perhaps you might be mistaken. If companies are legitimate, there's absolutely no reason why they wouldn't want to put it in writing with the SEC. After all, if you don't want to be public, why be a public company? Just because a company files its form 10s doesn't make it automatically legitimate. Companies lie. That's where auditors come in. They are supposed to sniff out the lies. Sure, as Enron proved, auditors can prove useless, but at least the odds of getting reliable financials tilt greatly in your favor. The people that make money in non reporting pink sheet stocks are the ones who trade on the greater fool theory. They'll speak about how wonderful the CEO is, how useful the product is, how if the company only got a fraction of the multi-billion dollar industry they are in your shares would be worth dollars, not cents. The momentum from all the fools rushing in to ride the rising star makes their wish of a rising share price self-fulfilling. Meanwhile, the touts are busy selling and, if cornered, will tell you only fools don't take profits when presented to them. They sell enough to make a decent profit and hold their remaining free shares just in case it keeps going up. The difference is, people like you continue to believe in the dream and don't sell. As a "basher" I can always spot the sheep vs the touts. The sheep are fervent true believers. They have large investments they are holding until the stock skyrockets and their dream is fulfilled. They get extremely nervous and protective and are, naturally, quite opinionated. The touts, on the other hand, just try to blow enough smoke to keep the true believers calm. The insidious among them will use platitudes like "we really can't prove this or that" or "everyone is innocent until proven guilty". They'll divert your attention from looking at red flags to looking for absolutes. Once you submit to this logic, you might as well just type "bah bah bah" and prepare to be sheered. The absolute worst thing you can do is make a planned trip to the company. Think Jane Fonda visiting Hanoi. Happy trading. - Jeff

To: creede who wrote (1285)	12/5/2006 10:13:49 AM
From: im a survivor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1521

LOL...Here is a disclaimer from LBWR. It was psoted I believe today or yesterday after realeasing their numbers...note below, you ask if 'LBWR WOULD USE SUCH RILEY WRITING' <<Also, I did not say that I had never seen such a release. I said that none of the companies I checked used such riley wording. Do you think that LBWR would do such? Do you think that LBWR would release a PR saying......>> As you also stated in a previous post you were upset with sljbs wording because it is worded to say 'we may be right, we may be wrong....we may be succeeed we may not..we may do this..we may not do this...' and etc, etc..you went on some long ramble saying you were upset because the wording meant we did not know whether to take what they say as the truth, or they say this 'might' happen..but you dont know it it really will happen....and then you said how rare it is to see a disclaimer worded like that and even decided to compare and say LBWR would never put out a disclaimer like that. Well, I am reading the below disclaimer from LBWR, whom you said would never use such 'riley wording' in any disclaimer they use...yet read the disclaimer....what is with all that RILEY WORDING LBWR IS USING??..as I read it, it reads like 99.8% of all disclaimers I see int his arena...here is your beloved lbwr saying the EXACT THINGS YOU SAID WERE UPSETTING AND UNACCEPTABLE TO YOU!!! The whole discalimer basically says...we think everything is going good, but we cant guarantee ANYTHING we have said, and please look at this long list of negatives that may impact out businessLOL...it is the same 'save my butt disclaimer' as most all in this arena put out!! LBWR DISCLAIMER- Reads like a HORROR show...huh? We cant guarantee ANYTHING...we may not be able to do this....we may not be accurate with our assumptions and WILL NOT say a word or be held responsible if what we say turns out to be wrong....All the EXACT stuff you were complaining about in sljb's disclimer is also in your beloved lbwr's disclaimer, although possibly worded a bit differently. Yet you rag on SLJB's disclimer and act as if it is unique, when most everybody knows ALL companies, especially in this arena, use the same type of save my butt disclaimer. All the stuff you said was unacceptable to you in sljb's disclaimer, in which you also said we would NEVER see in a lbwr disclaimer, we certainly do see......is it acceptable to you? Why would it not be acceptable for sljb to use riley wording when LBWR does the EXACT SAME THING, yet I dont hear you upset about lbwr and in fact, you deny that lbwr would even use such a disclimer, when here it is for you to see......By the way.....your LBWR is down over 50% since you have been yelling at people to buy the undiscovered gem before it leaves the station...for the last 6 months, you have been preaching that people should buy lbwr while it is cheap and went on to say anybody buying at this level will be rewarded greatly....during all this talk, it has gone down more then 50%, yet 50% higher, you were CERTAIN that .15 - .20 would be a great and cheap price to buy lbwr. yet, LBWR is down more then 50% and sljb which you are ragging on, is still up OVER 1000% and this is after it dropped ALOT!! Also, you pm'd me and said you hoped LBWR would drop ALOT more so you can BUY ALOT MORE and then you said you KNEW AS FACT that no matter how low you bought it, you didnt care because it was a 100% certainty to go back up to the moon.....Funny...at .09/.10 and down 50% from when you were telling people to buy while it is still cheap, you have now switched and have said you think lbwr will go lower and you hope it does go lower...and as I replied to you.....I am glad you are 100% certain that LBWR will shoot to the moon, but as far as I know, you are the only person on this planet that claims to know what the the future holds with 100% certainty..... <<Forward-Looking Statements This press release contains "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Statements in this release that are forward-looking statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to known and unknown risks, uncertainties, or other factors which may cause actual results, performance, or achievements of the company to be materially different from any future results, performance, or achievements expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ materially because of factors such as the effect of general economic and market conditions, entry into markets with vigorous competition, market acceptance of new products and services, continued acceptance of existing products and services, technological shifts, and delays in product development and related product release schedules, any of which may cause revenues and income to fall short of anticipated levels. All information in this release is as of the date of this release. The company undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statement to conform the statement to actual results or changes in the company's expectations.>> Anyway Creede, I have no problem with you and think you are a great guy...my only problem is I think it is wrong for you to lower yourself and bash and think it is wrong for you to assume that every company is going to be 100% honest with you and if they are not, you will trash the company..even big board companies are not 100% forthright and I assure you, in this arena, DECEPTION is the norm and honesty is VERY RARE!!!!