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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (5356)	12/7/2006 1:13:55 PM
From: Gersh Avery	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

>marijuana doesn't have the many good medical effects alcohol,< perhaps you would like to elevate your education. Your false information is about 30 or 40 years out of date. Marijuana is saving lives now. Even today, most people think that it only helps symptoms. Wrong. It fights diseases (cancer, among others) at the same time. example: persons going through the ~chemo theropy for Hepatitis-C suffer. Weekly injections plus daily pills for six months. These drugs make you feel like you have the flu the whole time. And each day that goes past gets worse. Persons that smoke pot, while undergoing treatment, are three times more likely to be curred than those who don't. In addition it causes many ot the bad symptoms to go away. Again .. it saves lives. Hep-C, left untreated, causes liver cancer. Here are some of the more recently discovered uses: norml.org The DEA claims that THC, the active chemical in marijuana, poses little abuse potential and supported it being rescheduled to a schedule III drug from schedule I. In prescription form THC is called Marinol. The current restrictions are the same as for Tylanol with codine.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (5356)	12/7/2006 10:26:52 PM
From: Gersh Avery	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

quote: the many good medical effects alcohol, end quote OK .. I'm back in and about to start digging up all of these medical studies .. In the meanwhile, would you be kind enough to direct me toward the studies about the many good medical effects of alcohol? From what I understand: You can die from drinking it. It causes birth defects when a expectant mother drinks during the first trimester. (BTW I have a cousin with who was born with FAS. This is not rare.) Long term exposure damages every single organ in the body. People who drink are prone to violence. Drinking and drinking related things kill thousands of Americans every year. Now then .. do the benefits outweigh the bad stuff I listed? Are more people saved than killed?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (5356)	12/8/2006 9:41:52 AM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

Regardless of the benefits that may await from medical marijuana, or the well established benefits of red wine, or the harm to come from either drug. The point is to note that no one should be inspired by a government which chooses between two drugs for us, instead of allowing us the freedom to choose. With the freedom to choose, mafioso Drug running would cease to exist, children don't meet folks barely removed (if at all) from the truly ruthless just to score some weed, and the country becomes a safer place. Dan B.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (5356)	12/11/2006 8:27:35 AM
From: Gersh Avery	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

Another page from the Harvard site: Even amongst the controversy, some groups have come forward to publicly urge the federal government to allow those in medical need to receive the treatment they need to lessen chronic pain. In a December 30, 1996 letter to Congress, Daniel H. Johnson, Jr., MD, President of the American Medical Association stated that, "[w]e urge federal funding of research to determine the validity of marijuana as an effective medical treatment." The American Nurses Association has also publicly stated that it supports researching the medicinal effectiveness of marihuana. Closer still to the hearts of law students, is the endorsement of marihuana's use for medicinal purposes by the American Bar Association. In a recent letter to the Governmental Affairs Office, the ABA noted that its policy "recognizes that persons who suffer from serious illnesses for which marijuana has a medically recognized therapeutic value have a right to be treated with marijuana under the supervision of a physician..." The ABA went on to note that it "supports federal legislation to establish a program under which [seriously ill] patients can be treated with marijuana under the supervision of a physician and under such controls adequate to prevent any diversion or other improper use of medicinal marijuana" A FINAL NOTE: While the federal government may take an irresolute stand concerning medical marihuana, the general populace has not. Thirty-six states currently approve the use of marihuana for medicinal purposes, although it seems that Proposition 215 in the state of California has received the most media attention. Regardless of the popular will of the people, with federal law being the supreme law of this land, physicians and patients still remain subject to prosecution for violating our nation's drug laws. Ironically, cocaine and amphetamines, what most might consider truly illicit substances, are classified as Class II substances; this classification allows doctors to legally prescribe both substances for medicinal purposes. taken from: cyber.law.harvard.edu

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (5356)	12/11/2006 8:38:31 AM
From: Gersh Avery	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10087

BTW This is where you brought red wine into the mix: "Marijuana when overused simply doesn't cause anything close to the problems alcohol does." On the other hand, marijuana doesn't have the many good medical effects alcohol, esp red wine, does.... from the post I'm responding to. You are correct about red wine having some medical benefits. Marijuana does also. The benefits of the two are different. Which has more? No one knows yet. No one will ever know. This I do know: my liver has already built up some liver damage. My doctor says the most I can consume is one beer or glass of wine a day. maybe I should start drinking again .. maybe not .. What do you think? Should I start drinking three or 4 glass of wine a day? The more I think about it the better it sounds .. How about a six-pack of red wine everyday .. like the French recommend? I think I'm starting to drool ..

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (5356)	12/11/2006 8:51:44 AM
From: Gersh Avery	Respond to of 10087

This is a clip from a page I ran into that was linked on the Harvard page you showed to me: This is a demonstration of what I talked about re gaps in process: "For the first time, our investigation shows tobacco is not the only smoked substance that sets in motion the molecular events which can lead to lung cancer," said Barsky. The analysis of respiratory tract tissue from 104 people concluded that smokers and drug users had a markedly higher incidence of six types of genetic markers associated with increased risk of lung cancer. For example, the study found that 10.7 percent of non-smokers had evidence of basal cell hyperplasia, but that increased to 46.2 percent of cocaine smokers, 53.8 percent of tobacco smokers and 66.7 percent of marijuana smokers. Among smokers of both marijuana and tobacco, there was a 100 percent incidence of basal cell hyperplasia, the study found. "This is the first work to demonstrate that smokers of marijuana and crack cocaine have an increased frequency of molecular abnormalities in bronchial epithelium (tissue) that are similar to those identified in cigarette smokers," said an editorial in the NCI Journal. end quote Again .. no dead bodies. No cancers listed. Just "markers" they assume lead to cancer in pot smokers. As for the crack smokers in the study??? Who knows WtF they would do to themselves. These folks found that 100% of people that smoke both pot and tobacco have this "basal cell hyperplasia." That would tend to suggest that 100% of persons smoking both pot and tobacco get lung cancer .. It don't happen that way .. period. If it did everyone that smoked pot would be dead. You would have won the discussion already. Here is the page I got that from: marijuananews.com