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To: jttmab who wrote (210140)	12/8/2006 3:08:52 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Defining his work as bias because he used may in a sentence. A big reach but you can do it if you have a motive. We'll just have to disagree on that one. I was brought up RC and outside of sexual related issues they're liberal. The ones I know aren't. I've spent a bit of time with a number of members of the LDS. As far as they're concerned tithing is required. Could be. I allowed that there might be a few churches that do though they would be the exception to the majority. All the Mormons I've known have been very nice people. But biased people look for the tiniest flaws they can find. "The claim that liberalism eroes character is my own opinion. I find a primary difference between non-religious liberals and non-religious conservatives to be the attitude to our culture's traditional religiously derived moral values (virtues and vices). Non-religious conservatives are generally respectful of traditional values recognizing that they serve as good and useful guides to conduct regardless of whether one shares the religious beliefs that originally produced them. Liberals tend to be dismissive of traditional values at best and contemptuous and hostile at worst." To me that's clearly a liberal vs. conservative comparison. Religious is secondary. Note that both your lead sentence and closing sentence are pejoratives against liberals/liberalism with no mention of religion. I clearly stated that's my opinion and it was prompted by a secondary post on the subject. I think my opinion is accurate. I wish it wasn't. Liberal is a dirty word and even liberals are ashamed to use the word, masquerading as centrists or moderates when they can. This is true despite the influence of the liberal media. I am quite respectful of other person's traditional values and I would hope that they are respectful of mine. [If I'm a liberal]. Don't try to cram your traditional values down my throat or anyone else for that matter. You are not respectful of anyone except liberals. You just accused me of trying to cram values down your throat and all I've done is express a negative opinion of liberalism What I find particularly odd about conservatives is how un-American they are. At least what I understand American values to be. American values are based on respecting individual rights, not majority rights. Everything you've written suggests group values that you perceive are majority values and to be accepted by everyone whether they agree with them or not. Ah yes, the true Americans are those who disparage and deride America at every opportunity. I haven't demanded that everyone agree with "majority values". But I don't think minority values should be crammed down the majoritys throat and liberals should not demand that the majority accept their values and put them down when they don't. I don't believe liberals respect individual rights unless the individuals are other liberals or in some way non-traditional. If that were the case, liberals wouldn't object to a teacher wearing a small cross on her necklace to school. Let me state it better, the religious people I meant to defend - I think most of them are better than me. You didn't learn your religious lessons very well. That may be. I don't hold myself out as a great or even good person, so criticizing me personally seems irrelevant.