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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (8534)	12/8/2006 12:16:44 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

That probably means the warming cycle is ending since CO2 goes up after a warming cycle.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (8534)	12/8/2006 3:19:57 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 36921

Way back in 1998 it was 2.95ppm, so 2.6ppm increase isn't something new. As I said, the 2% was a mistake. I don't think they meant that there was a 2% increase on the increase. If they did, they can't show that in just one year, or two. They need a bunch of data to smooth the lumps. Anyway, given the growth in production of carbon, there should be something MORE than a 2% increase in the increase if that carbon was staying in the atmosphere. It is leaking out and being eaten, which is why we don't see an increasing angle in the graph. I had a good look to see if I could pick an increasing grade in the graph, and over the last 5 years, I can't. It seems to be pretty much a straight line over the last decade. There might even have been a slight reduction [not surprising given the price of oil]. See how they use a false, dramatic, headline - <Record one-year increase in carbon dioxide levels Rhett A. Butler, mongabay.com March 13, 2006 [Updated March 14, 2006] > No, it wasn't a record. That was a lie. The seasonal variation of CO2 has increased. CO2 levels drop a little more than they used to, meaning a LOT more CO2 is being taken up by plants during the growing season. That's because they can get it a lot easier. Even though CO2 production has increased, all that extra production is absorbed, as well as a good bite of the existing CO2, causing CO2 levels to drop each year. Not all plants are limited by CO2 supplies. Plenty are limited by other aspects of life, such as nutrients, water, sunlight, insect attack, strangling by enemy plants. But life everywhere is a struggle to the death and it's no different in the plant world. Each limiting factor is a problem to a greater or lesser extent. The fact that more CO2 is absorbed now than 30 years ago when there was less in the air, shows that in fact, contrary to the Hale Bopp GW doomster theories, plants DO appreciate the extra CO2 that has been supplied and they DO eat it greedily. Not only that, they DO shrink their CO2 breathing holes if they have got plenty and that saves a lot of water. Which means other plants get more water and so do they, saving groundwater for next season, which might be drier. When Peak Oil is in, and our CO2 production starts declining, CO2 levels are going to drop with a rush. Peak People is going to drive Peak Oil in my opinion. Peak People could happen quite soon if H5N1 has its way. Even without disaster, there is a population implosion well underway. China has got their population crashing and India's growth is heading the same way. Mqurice