To: kpf who wrote (219910 ) 12/10/2006 12:03:47 PM From: economaniack Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872 kpf, unraveling the subsidies available to both AMD and Intel is an undertaking beyond my current time constraints, I suppose it is possible that AMD gets a lot more than Intel percentage wise. It has long been the case that gov't planners view semiconductors as desirable industries both strategically and for the employment they bring and are willing to pay for those benefits. I'm not sure that impacts on the numbers I offered, or where you think I went wrong. If AMD can share the costs of process development then they don't have to bear the full cost themselves and it doesn't impact scale economies. Doesn't matter why they can avoid the full cost, only that they do. I suppose you could look at the whole semi industry and argue that efficient scale in process development supports only two players, currently Intel and everyone else. I suppose that IBM could decide not to lead the consortium effort and try and establish themselves as a duopoly with Intel, but that would be beyond the scope of the present analysis. The fact is that nearly all the non-Intel world does manage to share development costs and that allows them to largely offset any scale advantage that Intel would otherwise have from that source. AMD claims that the primary impact of scale in the industry is on the marketing side, and I think there are some really interesting issues there, but again that is not really relevant to this discussion. On a broader note I would be happy to engage in a more thorough examination of the competitive structure of the CPU industry. While we might have to explain some of the more challenging concepts I think it would help the board generally to understand some of the legal and economic issues confronting these companies. I would appreciate if you would make explicit your assumptions - I laid out a reasonably specific argument for my belief that AMD process development costs per unit are not very different from Intel's. I am not entirely sure from your response whether you agreed with my general assessment and are making a semantic distinction or are holding to your assertion that Intel gains a substantial edge here. What cost for process development do you believe that AMD actually bears? And how do you think that compares with Intel? Clearly the gains for Intel of paying their own way are tied up in the advantages from ramping the new node early, what do you think those are, and how do you assess early yields for Intel which seem to me to be the key metric? e