To: one_less who wrote (84306 ) 12/12/2006 11:23:33 AM From: Kevin Rose Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976 I don't think we'll have the direct evidence of Bush's lies and deceptions until a good deal of information is declassified in a few decades. Bush is the sort of person that we've all seen before who uses deception as a tool. This type of person always has an excuse for using the tool - his excuse is his misperception that his #1 priority is to keep us safe. They justify their behavior by rationalizing that it is for the greater good. The way to detect such behavior is to catch the person in a few direct lies, then observe the pattern. Events around the lies usually points directly to it, using the simplest explanation rule. Of course, it is not enough to convict, but enough to know. For example, I (and others) posted to these threads years ago during the California energy crisis that the markets were being manipulated. The signs were there: acute shortages that drove prices up astronomically, companies reaping huge profits, and a highly unusual drop in supply due to power plants with 'unexpected' maintenance. Yet, there were many on these boards who scoffed because it did not fit their ideology - those who fantasize that unrestricted companies will not act in their own self interest, but will act for the greater good. Time proved that the simplest, most logical explanation was indeed right. The neocons built an ideological centerpiece around bringing down Saddam and installing a pro-democracy ally in Iraq - years before 9/11. They found the opportunity to implement this policy after 9/11, and the instrument in George Bush. Now, we're told that Bush did not lie about the misintelligence, and that Cheney and the Bush administration did not manipulate the intelligence information and analysis to fit their desired objective. Well, this situation seems to fit the previous example where the simplest explanation is that the Bush administration manipulated the intelligence to fill their need to invade Iraq. Clearly, they thought they would find SOMETHING to justify their reasoning that a few lies was for the greater good. Clearly, they were dead wrong. The only problem is that their hubris has lead to the death of thousands (although that is common in history). By contrast, Clinton lied about an inconsequential affair that changed absolutely no policy decisions, but merely provided a way for the jealous right to attack the man they hated. To equate Bush's lies, which have had such a large negative impact on the world, with Clinton's lie is incredible. Then to say that Clinton's lie was worse because it was under oath is nearly inconceivable. If anyone has damaged the office of the President, it is George Bush, with his lies and deceptions that have cost this country dearly - for decades to come. Time will prove that Bush is the worst ever - when the direct evidence comes out of his and his cronies lies. In the meantime, to me it is clear he is deceitful, dishonest, and incompetent - and should hand in his resignation for the 'greater good'.