To: Ilaine who wrote (12463 ) 12/14/2006 3:26:08 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 220063 Separate post for this one: <TW, my dad, who is an old coot, is madder than hell that the smart guys who are managing his portfolio sold his ALB that he bought many moons ago. He opened up an E-Trade account with $30K for "mad money" and asked me to show him how to trade on-line. Might be signs of a market top, or maybe he just wants to show those young smart-alecks that he can do it himself. But, sad to say, he wanted me to teach him how to buy stocks that went up 50% in the last year. Asking the wrong person for that one. But I can see how there can be safety in numbers -- until you're the one left holding the bag. > Self-investing is much better than managed funds [for me and no doubt for many people who take the trouble and are able to learn to do it right]. The NZ government is introducing the "Maurice Winn Overseas Investment Tax Deemed Rate of Return Tax Law". They haven't quite called it that, but they should have. Self-investing is much more efficient than using mutual funds who leave little for the shareholders. The NZ government is trying to "level the playing field" as they call it. Rule number one = don't buy at a market top. I have just broken that one, and, unbelievably at the same share price [within 50c] for the same name [Globalstar] and for almost the same reasons. The Dow is at an all-time high. If the spare satellites crash in April when launched, then I will repeat history! Rule number two = don't buy shares which have just gone up 50%. Buy sheep and sell deer - that's the rule. Buying at a market top and a share that has gone up 50% is a double rule break. Which is of course a lot of fun. And success usually leads to success. It probably went up for good reason. Rule number three = traders are up against extremely talented people with very powerful computer systems, running cyberwars against each other with their programmes. Think Deep Blue vs Deep Junior vs Gary Kasparov vs all the rest. I'm pretty good at chess but even with luck, I am NOT going to last very long at all on that battlefield. While cyberinvesting computer PhD mathematician wars are not "winner takes all" because it takes time to run the process, wait for the time to sell, and buy and they all have limited capital and size limits options too - Warren Buffett simply can't invest $10bn into Globalstar [well, he could and I think should, but that's another story]. It's too little. Your father can bet against Warren Buffett there because he's little and under the radar. But the computers are after the small opportunities too. Computers can't figure out how long Globalstar's photovoltaic wings can fly and how many Indians will buy how many minutes. Your father can. The computers can just model the minds of the people investing in the markets - en masse, not individually. The computers can do things like a feint [a sell] to see what the response is to a slightly lower price, then predict what a bigger drop would do and see whether they can induce lesser computer war-gamers to sell in fright when they see the small drop, only to have the champion computer buy back in quantity at lower prices. I don't know that is happening, but it should be happening and I believe that like CDMA, it can be done. So I'm sure people are doing it, just like your father [using his fingers and thumbs rather than a computer and market models]. Umpty $trillion isn't swishing around in cyberspace with fingers and thumbs running it all. There are predators in there, just as in any wild area where survival of the fittest is a matter of survival. We didn't get the big bumps above our eyebrows because those without did better. But of course, there is always the gambling factor. If you get 100 monkeys, and get them to choose up or down [say by pushing one of two buttons], half of them will be right and half wrong. If you get the 50 who were right and give them another chance [rewarding them with a lollipop to keep them interested], you will get 25 get it right twice in a row. 12 will be right 3 times in a row. 6 right 4 times, 3 right 5 times, 2 right 6 times, and 1 right 7 times in a row. That monkey will think he is quite an investing wizard if he spent some time reading lots of stuff about companies, investing, trading, cups and handles and double tops and my favourite, head and shoulders. If you get 1000 monkeys to take part, you will have one very smart monkey driving around in a Lexus, telling other monkeys how to do it and what his next recommendation is [after he has bought it so that others boost his share price and enable him to sell to the last sucker in]. Personally, I don't like the monkey world. Especially if PhDs with computers and monkey models are hunting monkeys. Then there are the brokers who take a cut for the house. My furry arms with prehensile fingers look too much like a gibbon for my liking. I don't want to be hunted. On the other hand, I have wondered whether I could hunt PhDs with computers. Or at least lesser monkeys. I think those hunters are performing a valuable service. They are reducing volatility for a start, which is a good thing. They have to compete with each other to succeed at buying at the bottom - if they wait for a slightly lower price, the smarter computer will grab it before it gets so low. Same at the top. Speculators in general produce the same valuable service, putting their necks on the line. But also, apart from volatility smoothing, the computer modellers are defining nothing less than the function of a mass mind. They are making the market's mind work in a rational way, just like our own have to run smoothly, with the right neurons firing at the right time and not all going nuts in epileptic fits. When the monkeys panic, and try to create a depression, the computers will see a great opportunity and compete to profit from the mass mindlessness. Perhaps. Maybe your father will be a lucky monkey. As long as he keeps his emotions in the game too, he will know he's alive while he plays with the other monkeys and mathematicians armed with megahorsepower computers. Mqurice