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To: TimF who wrote (7787)	12/19/2006 11:28:01 AM
From: DayTraderKidd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

You are doing nothing but dancing around my question. You know what I am trying to get at and you are custom tailoring your answer to avoid making the comparison of what you would call me if my country were overran militarily vs what is going on in iraq. That is what it comes down to. And if that military force formed a government in my country, are you trying to tell me that I should (or you would) just roll over and let that happen??

To: TimF who wrote (7787)	12/19/2006 12:32:52 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 15987

Insurgent is a morally neutral term, it just means someone fighting against his government in a way that is short of active open full revolution. The fundamental question we have here is what are the goals fo the insurgents. If enemy forces primarily consist of former Ba'thists, fighting for the goal of re-establishing a Ba'thist government, then one could rationally argue that they are legitimate guerilla fighters. However, since we don't see any insurgent groups of any significant size fighting openly for such a cause in Iraq, then this insurgency must constitute something different. The insurgent groups which dominate the insurgency are militant religious factions. And many of them, such as Al-Qai'da, have predominantly used foreigners as fighters. This faction of the insurgency can, thus, justifiably be considered a "counter-invasion". Note that the current head of Al Qai'da in Iraq is Abu Ayyub Al-Masri, an Egyptian (Al-Masri stipulates his orgin). Ansar Al-Sunnah, is predominantly a Iraqi organization, consisting of both religious fighters, as well as many former Ba'thists. They cooperate closely (or used to) with Al-Qai'da in Iraq. Al Qai'da's role on the Sunni side of the Iraqi insurgency has been considerably decreased, from my understanding. They, and the rest of the Sunni religious insurgents, have formed themselves under the Mujahidin Shura Council: en.wikipedia.org jamestown.org Thus, under the umbrella of the MSC, this is a militant religious insurgency against the duly elected government. Note that I have not even touched upon the Shi'a side of this conflict and the insurgency that Muqtada Al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army are waging. Hawk