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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (7805)	12/19/2006 5:58:31 PM
From: DayTraderKidd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

Bullshit, you are not going to blame the mess in iraq or the increased violence on democrats. violence has been stepping up for years. And as far as that rediculous assumption you made, polling suggested that the reps. would hang onto the senate all the way up till the election. I'm not seeing much in the way of democrats agreeing that more forces, not fewer are necessary to prevent iraq from collapsing into utter choas. Remove the hammer??? WTF hammer are you referring to Hawk? The 140k troops that keep going back to the front lines because 60 million people will support a war as long as they don't have to fight in it? That hammer?? And Iran is already involved in this war. And for all any of us know, we could increase troop levels and the saudis would still have to jump in and support the sunnis. I'll agree with you on one point you made. The only long term solution in iraq is to draw sunnis, kurds and shi'a into power sharing in iraq. For that to happen, we would have to dissolve the current government and then become there government for atleast 30 years. The admin had no plans for iraqies to hold elections when they first invaded. They did that as an afterthought and not for the iraqies, for our own country and just a different way to pacify the upsweel in this country that was rising even back then

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (7805)	12/20/2006 5:21:49 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

Hawk, it seems like a WWI type set-up for vast killing to make present casualty levels look trivial: <The Saudis are telling us the same thing. We leave and they will provide open support to the Sunni insurgents and turn this into a Sunni-Shi'a civil war. And you can't help but understand that that this will then involve Iran entering in on the Shi'a side. You haven't even BEGUN to see violence, DTK, until that happens. (god forbid). > If we think of humans as a species rather than anthropomorphing them, nature has historically resolved such over-population matters and territorial tribal dominance hierarchy rule by conquest in the traditional manner of mammalian males genocidally reducing their's and their neighbour's male populations sufficiently that harmony with natural resources is rebalanced. The surviving males go ahead and breed with the females of the vanguished and enjoy a bigger empire with greater strength to defeat the next opposition. Breeding was imperative for success. I would not want to risk my life to stop them when they have no philosophical foundation for another approach. Such situations are hideous in the extreme. The USA had such a civil war. Tutsis and Hutus were at it. Millions have died in such confrontations around the world. Given circumstances in Iraq [and the region] such outcomes seem likely. Mqurice

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (7805)	12/20/2006 7:52:10 AM
From: Keith Feral	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

It's interesting to see that the Sunnis really have an interest in maintaining the balance of power in Iraq through the presence of US troops. It is more amazing that the Saudis are threatening to support the Sunnis in Iraq if the US leaves. Apparently, the Liberal agenda for scaling back the military op's in Iraq is contrary to the balance of power. The irony is pretty rich when you have Sunni states demanding our presence to protect the Sunni terrorists in a Shiite state. It is so baffling that the Democrats initiate these rediculous suggestions via the Iraqi report to withdraw our forces. The problem with the Liberal Democrats is that they can't think about anything other than getting elected to office. They are willing to let Iraq sink into the deepest recesses of hell, just to beat the Republicans in the next election. They have clearly ignored the reality that force and security play in this global society. We have no alternative but to fight the terrorists in Iraq and pound them into kingdom come.