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To: TobagoJack who wrote (12954)	12/24/2006 4:11:42 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 219919

<<In Hong Kong, a separate and distinct customs and immigration territory that is ranked the freest and wealthiest in the galaxy, where habeas corpus still means people do not get kidnapped, renditioned, tortured, put away in the hot tropics away from family, and then released just as mysteriously, we have religion and faith plenty, and all exist peacefully, because no one takes away anyone else's home en.wikipedia.org How would you explain such strangeness?>> ... does the word ' Tolerance ' still mean anything? Happy holidays to all of the thread. J

To: TobagoJack who wrote (12954)	12/24/2006 6:18:02 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 219919

Yes, you're very consistent in sticking with the official PRC party line. I guess you have no choice. But the truth about religious freedom in China is other than the official party line, and you know it. The real Catholic priests, who were anointed according to genuine Catholic tenets of Apostolic succession, are forced to remain underground while fake Catholic priests loyal to the state pretend to provide pastoral care. Tibetan Buddhists are repressed. Uighur Muslims are repressed. Falungong is outlawed. Tsk. Not even worth debating. hrw.org

To: TobagoJack who wrote (12954)	12/24/2006 8:57:53 PM
From: Slagle	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 219919

TJ, Nationalism is a wonderful thing and my country will be forced to respond in kind because of the example set for us by China. I hope it is not too late. The worst thing about internationalism and "global do-gooderism" of the Wilsonian "make the world safe for democracy" variety is the moral hazard and lack of accountability that goes with it. Take this Iraq adventure, for instance. Nobody really knows for sure what it is all about. Are we there to "spread democracy" or are there other agendas? Might we be there to re-open the Mosul to Haifa oil pipeline and provide Israel with an oil supply? Are we protecting the Saudis? Or might we be there to check the Chinese, Iranians or the Russians? Nobody knows, at least nobody outside Bush's inner circle knows. If we had gone there for purely nationalistic reasons, say to "protect American interests" then at least there would have been established a standard, a benchmark. My country has been engaged in far too much of this destructive activity, including two world wars in which we had no reason to participate. I think it is wonderful that China takes these strong measures to protect her sovereignty, if she doesn't she will loose it. In time this must inspire a strong nationalist response here and elsewhere in the world. It will be a really good thing. I am a Christian and I am sure that the Christian faith would be no danger to China, it could be a great benefit. But foreign missionaries could also be a vector for subversion and so I understand the need to control their activities. But much more dangerous that Christian missionaries are these secular do-gooders; on CNN not long ago I saw an interview with Clinton while he was roaming around loose somewhere in China. You folks better keep your eye on him. <grin> Clinton was there with his "International AIDS" outreach. You should consider that sort of thing an insult. Does China not have a public health ministry? If Clinton wants to save people from AIDS why doesn't he go to San Francisco or New York, his adopted home where he at least understands the language? With Clinton you will get more than anti-viral pills. Merry Christmas! Slagle