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To: Ilaine who wrote (12999)	12/25/2006 8:44:02 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218176

<<we're pretty much at a stalemate>> ... less stale by the days, and more mate by the week. <<... not against Saddam and the Iraqi military, which were trounced decisively in 2003, but at 4th generation warfare against guerrilla fighters who have the support of their neighborhoods>> ... do you mean to say ... eh ... a national liberation movement along the lines of vietnam?! <<The question in Iraq has been, since late 2003, when will the Iraqis stand up so we can stand down?>> ... if the iraqis stand up some more, they would invade the kingdom of saud. is that where we are headed with the developing situation? <<The Muslim Middle East is at a very interesting crossroads. The men and women who want to bring the Muslim Middle East forward into the 21st century are fighting against the men and women who want to bring the Muslim Middle East back into the 7th century>> ... that changes the complex of the equation by quite a bit, and certainly was not the bill of goods on display before the get go. Saddam was secular. What is in place now is far from secular. Are we retreating in order to make progress, or fighting in the opposite direction to not win a defeat? <<For decades, almost a century, the rest of the world didn't really care who won, as long as we got the oil. See, e.g., China, which is perfectly willing to opportunistically support whichever group appears to have the upper hand at any given moment, which, of course, means every group, because it changes from day to day>> ... so China supports every group? Difficult trick, those clever Chinese trying to push the way of Daoism on to an unwilling region. <<It's true, the US is sticking its neck out supporting the forces of modernity against the forces of antiquity, democracy against autocracy and dictatorship, but it's the right thing to do>> ... we shall see, but so far, not so good. The force of modernity relative to what is now in place had just been tried, sentenced and will soon be strung up for crimes against humanity. At some point your disappointment with the thankless effort will well up and flood your enthusiasm for war and conquest under various guises.

To: Ilaine who wrote (12999)	12/26/2006 5:37:22 AM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218176

<<the US is sticking its neck out supporting the forces of modernity against the forces of antiquity, democracy against autocracy and dictatorship, but it's the right thing to do>> ... what rot. The US, together with British lacky, by intervention without thought, and action without capability, have together enabled and then set off sectarian cleansing all over what used to be certainly sovereign and more controlled Iraq, replacing the bad but single Saddam with the horrible and many Saddam-wanna-be's, by most measures (and if not, we just have to wait for the body count to build up over inevitable passing of elapsed time). And now, after accomplishing less than nothing, both the empire and the ex-empire wishes to turn tail, seeking excuses by electoral demand, so that another job gets not done and left botched. Nice going. Where shall be experimented on next? Only to botch and be handed over to yet more scum, and then blamed it all on somebody else; but only after first taking proud credit for mission accomplished. Now, either the above read is correct, or the mission was in fact accomplished - which then leads to the natural question, 'what was the mission?' news.bbc.co.uk ... police were planning to execute their prisoners. ... there was evidence of torture. ... Iraqi officers ... leading a death squad at the unit.