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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (191102)12/30/2006 8:36:29 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793790
 
Never mind journalistic integrity, it's verbal integrity in all respects.

Words in various cultures seem not design to enlighten with truth but to obfuscate with deception.

The words in the Islamic world seem designed to weave a web of alternative reality which is desired, rather than descriptive of the actual reality which exists.

I don't mind words being used to describe future desired realities and am all for that an do it myself. Concepts precede reality and words are a mechanism to describe said future reality and create it by various actions in the here and now. Even for one's own purposes, words are a good means to determine one's future and to enable others to also choose to support said future concept, words are essential so they too can share the prospect and act to make it real.

But that's not what's going on in Arabia.

What's going on is rhetorical excess and misrepresentation on a grand scale for the purpose of fooling those hearing or seeing the words so that the user of the words can benefit.

What they fail to realize is that everyone else is doing that too, so their realities are self-limited to the immediate mess in which they are mired and there's no way out because there's no conceptual framework to escape.

I had a boss once who I am sure could not bring himself to say anything without there being an angle on it. He had to deceive in some way in use of words, or he got agoraphobia or something similar[that's my theory]. He used words to manipulate situations and people, not to enlighten, describe and agree.

It's a common human trait, but is more common in some places than others. Beijing seemed full of it. I think it arises in repressive situations, [families or whole cultures].

Islam, like all religions, starts with a lie. Once accepting the lie, all is built on top of it. With no attachment to reality at the foundations, there is no need to attach to reality at any part of the superstructure.

To function in the absence of solid language with reality-based meaning, everyone has to deal in lowest common denominator stuff. Which means it's tough to invent the Theory of Relativity for example. One would be stoned to death before passing Go.

Mqurice



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (191102)12/30/2006 9:17:11 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793790
 
Haven't got a source for your juicy quote? No problemo, just ascribe it to Captain Jamil Hussein. That way, you don't have to risk getting into trouble by inventing biographical details about a new non-existant source. It's so much easier besides.

This has been done for years by City reporters. The Times had a "man in the street" guy in NYC that they quoted so many times for so long that he became famous. He was real, but the quotes attributed to him were fake.