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To: Elroy who wrote (211529)	1/2/2007 11:48:49 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 281500

You are wrong (imo- and I think history proves my point). You could, and people did, essentially take away the right of black people to stay in a hotel, or to eat in a restaurant. Now you can define those as privileges, if you want to, but 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, imo. And of course a mob can take away a fundamental right. A lynch mob is a very pure example of democracy, and it can deprive you of your life, which I think is fairly fundamental (and this all hinges upon the fact that no one in the mob believes the mob will turn on them). I think the right to control your reproduction is fundamental. You can disagree, but that doesn't mean I can't think it is fundamental, and I do, and I will continue to do so. That is why it says "said, there are some rights so fundamental I do not think ..." Now you may think people wouldn't deprive other people of something that they would like to keep themselves, but many examples of history will prove you wrong- and as a rather large example, I would point you to the French Revolution. Often people don't realize their error in assessing "fundamentalism" (and the danger to themselves) until too late. Remember this famous piece of prose: First They Came for the Jews First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller ............ That's what it's all about. Unfortunately people do not always see the connection between the fundamental rights of a class they do not like, or do not care about, and their own class.