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To: KLP who wrote (191540)	1/3/2007 8:20:00 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794460

I doubt that: <I would agree that the missionaries of the past weren't entirely "selling" religion, but they certainly were pretty certain that theirs was the "only" way of thinking> One of the tenets of their religion is the idea of free will, which specifically means there are many ways to think and the individual must choose, for themselves, the right way of thinking. The religious edicts were an offering as being the best way to think that the proselytizers had come up with. Lots of people around the world adopted said ideas. Yes, long ago there were heresy trials, inquisitions and burnings at the stake, but not in the last couple of centuries [some exceptions notwithstanding]. <sometimes wonder if we ALL really aren't descendants of the "Seven Daughters of Eve" that Dr. Brian Sykes wrote of....His is a most interesting theory. > I figured a while ago that males who left Africa all descended from one bloke living a mere ... search... ah, here it is, cyberspace is great ... 31,415 years ago Message 22888809 <<# The most important date, in relation to the competing evolutionary theories, is the time when all the sequences coalesce into one -- the 'mitochondrial Eve.' # From this study, a date of 171,500 years ago was obtained which fits remarkably well with that proposed in the recent African origin hypothesis. > My [just invented] hypothesis is that Y chromosome "Adam" was MUCH more recent than that. I will right now wildly guess using not even boe analysis, that all males have descended from Adam as recently as 17,000 years ago. That's because males killed each other in genocidal war, and mated with the females who they kept. I guess a ratio of something like a 10:1 rate would be about right as women who don't die young could have something like 15 children, half of whom are males. Those 8 males nearly all had to die without being represented in the next generation [or the world would have been over-run like rabbits in sheep-farming over-run the place]. So did the females [so they obviously didn't all have 15 children]. The males killed each other off. Maybe half of them died in fighting or from injuries which left them unable to do much in the reproductive stakes and vulnerable to later problems of survival. The few surviving males went on to do the fathering, with a plentiful supply of females [7 for each bloke]. Okay, I'll go with Adam being 31,415 years ago. > It turned out that my guess was pretty much a bulls-eye. Message 22890782 It's amazing what a bit of thinking can figure out. Note that the mother to us all who left Africa was much longer ago. Meaning there was no Adam and Eve who met each other and started us all off. No, we didn't all start off with the same genetic makeup. The bloke with the winning Y chromosome had lots of other genes too, as did his mates, so even then, his offspring were all different. Then there were mutations. Mqurice