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To: mistermj who wrote (211755)	1/4/2007 7:06:41 PM
From: Noel de Leon	Respond to of 281500

You've misunderstood what I wrote. I have stated that your facts are correct(slightly off perhaps because of a calculation or rounding error). I then proceeded to show you how the data you presented should have been presented if one wants to be objective. Nothing arrogant or manipulative about presenting data objectively. Objectively means that one compares data sets in a graph that are comparable. In this example you compare 2 sets of data that do not have the same time scales and do not have the same basis(total military deaths during the Clinton years are compared to deaths in Iraq). Since you wanted to compare these sets I simply extended your "logic" to include military deaths under Clinton that occurred in Iraq(close to none) and total military deaths during Bush IIs first 4 years. By the way I used your sources to find and present the data as well as presenting the data you presented. I guessed at the number of military deaths in Iraq during Clinton's watch. Just the facts ma'm, just the facts. I agree that the data is easy to read and straight forward. That is why I'm surprised that you can't see that presenting the data objectively is to be preferred. Finally it was stated that the long term downward trend in accidental deaths was important. I simply took a closer look at the data for accidental deaths and saw that the trend seems to be broken and that the increase in accidental deaths occurred under Bush II.