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To: steve harris who wrote (318996)	1/6/2007 9:18:42 AM
From: Taro	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1573433

Interesting how many people through history have explained and still try to explain why socialism failed, where it shouldn't have failed. Versus how few if any spend time on trying to explain why capitalism failed. Taro

To: steve harris who wrote (318996)	1/6/2007 10:31:40 AM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1573433

>Where? Seems to me when someone fails in a business, capitalism is working as it should. In government, you're stuck with the bad idea. South America -- right-wing governments have gotten voted out in favor of left wing ones... Just because the Soviet Union was a flaming pile of crap doesn't mean that a little bit of socialism doesn't help every now and then. No one, not one person here or in our government, is advocating an entirely planned system; we're just advocating the creation and preservation of some safety nets and some regulation of a system where it takes money to make money and you're left behind if you don't have money in the first place. >We don't refuse services to those who abuse them? You just posted why socialism fails. "No one else gives a shit, why should I". No, 1. the costs of abuse are probably a heck of a lot lower than we're led to think, and 2. you want to make it so that even if people are secure when they're not working, they're better off when they are working. >I find it difficult to see a significant difference in your justification for banning trans fat cooking oil yet not banning cigarettes. What benefits do you get from cigarettes? They ease people's stress, make them feel good for a few minutes a day, and apparently taste good. If we were able to create chemicals that would give people the same experience without being nearly as harmful as cigarettes, I'd be for banning tobacco cigarettes, too. >Anyway, my point is, everything is fine if you get to decide how to run the system. Will you be just as content following along my recommendations if I was the one making the rules? No, why should I be? And why is that a point to make? I haven't the slightest idea why that's relevant. -Z

To: steve harris who wrote (318996)	1/7/2007 3:53:35 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573433

Capitalism has failed many times. Where? Seems to me when someone fails in a business, capitalism is working as it should. In government, you're stuck with the bad idea. I see.....when capitalism pollutes rivers so they catch fire when you light them, or lakes don't freeze over even though its winter and below zero, that's success to you? How about children who are born with abnormalities because of a bad drug that wasn't tested properly? During the turn of the century, when capitalists used child labor and working conditions were so poor people died on the job, that was successful capitalism working at its best. How about the promotion of tobacco......even when they knew that it was bad for you, the capitalists continued to promote its consumption....in fact, they do so to this very day. How about all the stupid shopping centers that were built in the US since WWII causing the decline of downtowns all over the country......what an incredible waste of infrastructure. We now have whole downtowns that are virtually empty.........an incredible waste of money and land. How about when GM bought up most of the light rail urban rail systems in the country and dismantled them and their tracks so people would be forced to use their cars. They did the same with many bus systems as well........what was that? Clever capitalism at its best? Your much ballyhooed capitalism is successful in a way that doesn't work for a lot of us. Which begs the question? Did you even wonder why Arkansas is so poor?