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To: Elroy who wrote (319126)	1/7/2007 12:56:09 AM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575624

Sorry pal, the war in Iraq is a guerrilla war, and meets all the classical definitions. Read and learn: "..guerrillas are almost always part of a resistance movement." en.wikipedia.org "The total death toll in the war came to a little over 2000 people." ( IRA's war against the Brits - very much like Iraq! Two religous factions, and BOTH hate the Brits! LOTS of bombings - but nowhere NEAR the number or death toll in Iraq ) It's a guerrilla war we're LOSING. Bush wants to put in more targets, as a stall, so we'll be stuck there until after his term.

To: Elroy who wrote (319126)	1/7/2007 9:53:40 AM
From: steve harris	Respond to of 1575624

The end justifies the means when you're arguing with a leftie who must project a position he thinks he can win against. I guess that means they end up arguing against themselves and lose.

To: Elroy who wrote (319126)	1/7/2007 7:35:15 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1575624

Do you think Spain has been at war for the past 30 years with the Basque region's ETA? This comparison is absurd The comparison is wonderful. Really?! Well let's see: ~The Iraq violence is an insurgency, religious war and a civil war all wrapped up into one whereas ETA wants independence for the Basque region from Spain......a rebellion. ~There are more attacks in one day in Iraq then there have been ETA attacks in Spain over the past six years. ~Iraq war's fatal victims are plentiful, intentionally tortured and usually innocent of wrongdoing whereas ETA attacks rarely kill their victims and those victims tend to be civil authorities like the police. ~ETA typically gives warning of its attacks; the Iraqi insurgency not only does not give warning they relish the surprise of their attacks. ~There are foreign insurgents operating in Iraq; none in Spain. ~The Iraqi insurgency consists of a large minority of the population; the ETA minority is very small. ~There are several foreign powers in Iraq, the US, Iran and Syria, influencing the violence; there is no foreign power in Spain effecting the outcome. In other words, comparing Iraq to Spain is like comparing an apple to a chestnut........they both grow on trees, that's about it. Yes, but since 2003 ETA has carried out several small attacks without causing any deaths—all the attacks were preceded by a warning call, allowing people to evacuate before the explosion. ETA was initially accused of carrying out the March 11, 2004 Madrid train bombings, which killed some 200 people, before it was discovered that al-Qaeda was responsible. Many experts believe the group has been quieter than usual since September 11 because of successful law enforcement pressure rather than any moral or tactical retreat from terrorism by ETA. However, since September 11, ETA has been implicated in several attacks. These include: In May 2003, ETA allegedly killed two policemen and seriously injured two civilians in a car bomb attack in the village of Sanguesa, Navarra region. In March 2002, Spanish authorities defused a bomb planted at the stock exchange in Bilbao, a bomb exploded outside the home of a local politician, and a town councillor was assassinated. Spanish authorities suspect ETA in these incidents. In November 2001, ETA killed a judge and two police officers in the Basque region, and a French gendarme was shot, reportedly by ETA. In October 2001, ETA set off car bombs in Vitoria, the capital of the Basque region, and in Madrid; the latter attack injured a hundred people. cfr.org If numerous bombings of marketplaces and busses in Iraq by shady hidden groups constitute an actual "war" in Iraq, then the less numerous yet ongoing bombings of marketplaces and busses in Spain by shady hidden groups constitute a "small war" in Spain. And Spain's "small war" has been going on for ~30 years. Like I said, there are very few bombings in Spain. In addition, most will agree that your definition of a war is not the one to which most of the world ascribes. Hopefully that illustrates to you the silliness of calling the current actions in Iraq a war. On the contrary, it shows just how much you are outside the loop.