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To: steve harris who wrote (212288)	1/9/2007 9:58:33 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Thirty to fifty percent of fertilized eggs are lost before a woman finds out she's pregnant. And to you, these microscopic cell clusters are all dead children? Not potential children? Not 'blueprints' for potential children, but children? Menstruation represents a sort of holocaust? Don't you think dead children should have some sort of funeral or memorial service instead of being routinely and unceremoniously flushed down the toilet or thrown in the garbage? I think I'd wish for that, if I were delusional and under the impression that fertilized ova were children and oblivious women were flushing these kids down the toilet. Steve, I just don't believe you think that those fertilized ova, 30-50% of which just exit with menstruation, are really children. It's just something you say, I'll bet. You'd have your reasons, of course. But if you thought they were children, you'd be backing medical research to save the lives of that 30-50%. And maybe research for tests that would allow a woman to distinguish between menses that contain kids and those which don't, so at least proper observances could be made after her children have died, and mourning could commence. Basically, steve, I suspect that deep down you don't believe that fertilized ova are children at all.

To: steve harris who wrote (212288)	1/9/2007 10:42:12 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't care if you want to call a bundle of cells a child, but I do care if you want to force everyone to view the cells that way. I don't think of bundles of cells as children, and many other people don't either. You don't have to have an abortion, but don't try to stop women who want them from having them. Just out of curiosity, did you read the Freakonomics take on abortion and crime? Very interesting, to say the least- if it's true. I wasn't using a medical exception- I'm not sure how you got that from my post, but then I didn't realize it was uncivil either- so opinions will obviously differ, as will inferences. I certainly didn't mean to imply I cared about medical exceptions, since I do not. I don't care if women need abortions medically or not- I don't want women forced to carry babies when they don't want to. Nothing more to it than that. I don't care what arbitrary date is picked for "tidiness" in the eyes of the law- as long as it is later than 4 months, because some women are a bit tardy to notice they are pregnant.