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To: Noel de Leon who wrote (212307)	1/9/2007 10:45:43 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I'm not seeing it. What about that is uncivil? Too graphic for you? Having pushed out 3 watermelons myself, I thought I'd toned it down quite a bit from the actual experience. Too graphic is different from uncivil. I didn't think it was too graphic, but if it was, I'll try to remember that in future. But you'll need to explain- because I'd like to tone down the right aspect. Since you are asking me to place a limit on my speech, it would be best if you are very specific. Was it the word "freaking"? I'm really at a loss here. PS- in my opinion part of the violence, and the graphic nature of birth, are reasons why I do not think it should be forced on women. I cannot think of any more acutely physically painful time in my life- except for an infection that almost killed me. While going through it for a child you want is eventually worth it, I DO remember feeling like I was dying, and I had very easy deliveries. Since that is part of my point, and since birth is much more graphic and painful than I descibed it somewhat humorously, I think my point would be lost if I toned it down too much. Birth is huge- that's why I wouldn't force a women to undergo it if she didn't want to.

To: Noel de Leon who wrote (212307)	1/9/2007 11:22:07 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I would definitely tell that to my mother- either one of them- birth mother or adoptive mother (although now she's dead- so she probably wouldn't answer). Both my moms are/were VERY frank people, and we come from a frank family full of medical professionals. My birth mom, who works in the medical field, is MUCH more graphic than I am (as are my brother and sister in law- nurse and dentist, respectively)- which can be interesting at mealtimes. I'm not sure what part of that you think would offend someone. It certainly wouldn't offend anyone in my family, or even in my circle of friends. Most of the people I know are MUCH more explicit than I am. I can't figure out what you think would insult a mom? Hole? Freaking? Watermelon? My moms would totally get what I said- and since I have the genetic code of one, and was raised by the other, what more can I say? But I don't like to upset anyone, so if you could explain what you think might offend a mother (although obviously wouldn't offend mine, or me, as a mother, if my daughter said that to me) let me know. I don't want you upset. We all live in very different families, and have different levels of comfort with certain words. I save most of my reaction for ideas, rather than for the frankness with which physical processes are described. To me the important thing about birth is the tremendous trauma of it- it's a huge physical experience, and having gone through it, I can't imagine forcing anyone to go through it- it would be hard to approach with words the true nature of the experience. I have not read anything that comes close to really getting the experience across.