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To: steve harris who wrote (212345)	1/10/2007 12:07:24 PM
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You didn't respond to my post, you obfuscated, allowing you to change the subject. One subject was the status in your mind of the 30-50-% of fertilized ova ejected routinely with menstruation. No, Steve, when a fertilized ovum becomes a child isn't an "easy subject." Only a simple-minded person would think it should or could be. Any gradual process involves change in status. An acorn isn't an oak tree, and if you're asked over for a fried chicken dinner and are served eggs sunny side up in a basket, you'll think the cook insane. And let's see if you're willing to pay the builder for a house when you get something between a blueprint and a house. Of course if your religious belief is that what defines a child (as opposed to a potential child) is a soul, and that a soul enters the ovum along with the sperm, well, that's your definition. And that's all it is, your religious definition. It's one that differs from that of St. Thomas Aquinas, incidentally. At what point a woman whose ovum has been fertilized should be forced by the state to gestate isn't "an easy subject" either. Many important social factors, and personal rights, contend, so how could it be "easy"? We decide many things, as a society, that aren't easy to decide. Actually deciding how to apply the directives in a Living Will is not so clear cut, in specific circumstances. We do our best. BTW, have you implied that women in a cemetery you frequent bury their menses? I asked about your attitude toward the 30-50% of fertilized ova that flow out spontaneously and routinely, and you talk about a cemetery. Do you believe in compulsory gestation of the 50-70% of ova that remain after the first menstrual period has ejected the others? If you have your way, will the government, and not the woman whose uterus and life is involved, make that decision? When you've answered the questions I've asked in my two posts, I'll continue the conversation. You won't, though. I know that from having had this conversation with those who want to ram their religious convictions down the throats and into the uteruses of American citizens who don't share them, using the might of the government. I suspect you are one of those. Tell me if I'm wrong. I'm not bothering to discuss, here (I've done it before on SI)the question of how we as a society decide the line between a fertilized ovum and a child, in a uterus. St. Thomas Aquinas said quickening was the line. It isn't "easy," but it's necessary. The alternative -- mandated gestation -- is as much a horror as the government forcing abortions in China. And that wasn't religious fascism, it was an attempt to stave off millions of deaths by starvation. I see this is FADG. My how it's changed. Oh... just curious. How do you feel about abortion in cases of rape or incest? Let's say of a 12 or 13 year old girl.