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To: carranza2 who wrote (212357)	1/10/2007 9:59:16 AM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

So few words and so much truth all in one post. Some issues are highly complex like iraq---shiaa/sunni, arab/kurd, tribes/other tribes, arab/persian, et al. Palestine is damn simple stuff and you laid it our so neatly. Oh sure the arabs, baathists, islamist(both shia and sunni), and their leftist crybaby supporters will have a different take. But its pure envy that motivates the arabs along with a strong inferiority complex that is well deserved. What they should be doing is emulating israeli economics with a dose of democracy. What we get is a battle royal betwen all those sects, tribes, races, itemized above.

To: carranza2 who wrote (212357)	1/10/2007 10:21:08 AM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The problem is that Israel is a phenomenally successful country, one which produces tons of very innovative high tech stuff, and is otherwise a bastion of democracy in a region that has never experienced it. No, THE problem is that Israel is an ethnic country and MUST remain so, while the world at large considers that RACIST. If you want peace in the ME between Arabs and Jews, somehow this must be dealt with by one of two ways 1) Somehow allow integration while keeping safety for all parties or 2) Somehow get the world comfortable with ethnic states and rules to protect the ethnicity of groups. Unfortunately the somehows in both cases are far from clear. But it is pretty clear that we can't have one set of rules for a liberal democracy like Israel, but another set for all other liberal democracies. BTW, Bush might actually achieve some of his goals wrt to Iraq if Iraq is partitioned, and three more or less stable ethnic states result in the ME. That would at least start the ball rolling towards solution 2) above. Is it good or bad? That I'm unsure of.

To: carranza2 who wrote (212357)	1/10/2007 11:11:38 AM
From: Noel de Leon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Israel is a theocracy not a democracy. Israel's success depends and has always depended on massive support from the US(your taxes). The problem is that Israel continues to occupy land that it took in 67 and expand the settlements. The balkanization of the West Bank(which was why Arafat rejected the Clinton plan) is the surest way to insure a Palestinian rejection of any peace plan that does not take into account the physical integrity of a Palestinian state. Hamas is viciously following a course of confrontation, PLO was(and may well still be) corrupt, and Israel is totally uninterested in a realistic 2 state solution only serve to make the the problem more complicated.