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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PROLIFE who wrote (757443)	1/17/2007 2:10:51 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

No reason for you to get so upset and hyper-agitated, Pro (re: 'friggin stupid, pinhead'). I simply went to the Web site you told me to go to, where I discovered that the numbers they showed for abortions in America were not only over a DECADE OLD, but also WERE NOT what you were claiming. (In fact, nowhere near the 'one million per year' that you claimed.) So, OK, you send me to a DIFFERENT Web site now. I go. (And find CLEAR answers for the questions you asked: how much do you really think abortions have gone down in the last ten-twelve years? Or from 2002?) At the Web site you sent me to I see them displaying CLEAR PROOF that the numbers of abortions in America have been declining fairly STEADILY since about 1981. Here is their chart showing that: guttmacher.org (REMEMBER --- this is the site YOU sent me to to look for proof!) So, I guess this answers the question you just asked: how much do you really think abortions have gone down in the last ten-twelve years? Or from 2002? The decline is clearly displayed in the chart. The Web site provides further evidence for these facts in the PDF file they offer for download ("ab_incidence.pdf") which clearly states in it's very first paragraph (with data footnoted): After abortion was legalized nationwide in 1973, the U.S. abortion rate peaked in 1980. From 1990 onward, the rate declined substantially, and by 2000, it was at its lowest level since 1974. Note also that the numbers are provided from the ESTIMATES of the Guttmacher Institute (which has estimated the number of abortions performed in the United States by conducting a periodic survey of all known abortion providers since 1973. Their most recent such survey took place in 2001, collecting data covering 1999 and 2000.) Abortion incidence is also tracked by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which aggregates reports from state statistical agencies (usually health departments) for its annual abortion surveillance reports, the most recent of which covered the year 2002. (But there appears to be some data drop-outs from the CDC study, with at least two to three States not reported....) Thus, the Guttmacher annual ESTIMATES (from their surveys). You will need to dig into their survey methodology, I suppose, before one can express any particular confidence in their numbers (perhaps they are invested in seeing larger numbers... or perhaps their surveys will betray no evidence of investigator bias --- I express no opinion about this until I look into the methodology....) Anyway, the most recent Guttmacher survey of abortion providers collected data for 2000 (but they also provide an ESTIMATE for 2001). Guttmacher’s 'more complete' nationwide count for year 2000 shows 1,312,990 abortions. The estimate that the number of abortions performed in the United States in 2003 at 1,287,000, down 0.5% from 1,293,000 in 2002. Between 2000 and 2003, the drop was 2.0%. So, yes --- you have sent me to a site where the data they present supports your claim of 'more then one million abortions per year' --- (out of a total population of over 300 million), unlike the FIRST Web site you sent me too, where the numbers DID NOT support your claim. (Perhaps that site, abortionfacts.com, used only the OFFICIAL US government reported numbers?????) However, BOTH sides also CLEARLY support the claim that abortions have been STEADILY DECLINING in numbers for YEARS in the US (since the EARLY 1980s), a fact with which you disagreed. So, I guess you need to wrap your mind around the fact that abortion incidence has been steadily falling for at least two decades now (from around 30 per thousand women, to nearly 20 per thousand women, perhaps below 20 now....)