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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: philv who wrote (14074)	1/18/2007 11:25:48 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Who knows what the secret real plans are Exactly. Perhaps we are going to annex unDemocratic Kuwait and give it to the newly Democratic Iraqis in exchange for asking them to stop killing each other.

To: philv who wrote (14074)	1/18/2007 11:35:46 AM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 22250

Phil > maybe they are waiting for completion of the military buildup They have no intention of doing a military strike on Iran, similar to Iraq. The Israeli idea, which the US would naturally comply with, is to attempt to destroy the nuclear facilities and other strategic targets by means of tactical bombing only. It may also be feasible to do commando raids on the Iranian oil facilities on the Persian Gulf. But more than that is clearly out of the question. > Maybe Iran is getting stronger, but it can't match US power when it is in place. That's a myth. The US is in serious trouble in Iraq and doesn't have any idea what to do there. In fact, it's damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. Furthermore, the US is bleeding economically by over two billion dollars a day -- and despite the Fed's printing, this will have to be addressed. But possibly the worst is that the US has lost prestige and morale, as in Vietnam. The neocons' plans are seen to be what they always were -- a total disaster. The close relationship with Israel is costing the US a fortune in lives and treasure -- and its good name. And now everyone sees it -- even those in the government who are under AIPAC's influence. washingtontimes.com >>Senate plans vote against troop surge Senators introduced a resolution yesterday disapproving of President Bush's plan to send more troops to Iraq, setting up a confrontation with the White House, which warned that those who vote for it will face charges that they don't support the troops. The resolution -- written by the top Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees and Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska -- has no binding effect on Mr. Bush, but the authors said they hope an overwhelming vote will prove the president lacks the support to move forward. "This resolution will give every senator a chance to say where he or she stands on the president's plan," said Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., Delaware Democrat and Foreign Relations chairman. "The single and most effective way to get him to change course is to demonstrate that his policy has waning or no support from both parties." << In my opinion, this is a turning point. Bush and his warmongers will not be able to do what they like in future -- and that's even with another "false flag" operation, like 9/11. The writing is on the wall for the neocons -- and for Israel.

To: philv who wrote (14074)	1/19/2007 1:42:18 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Phil, some more on Iran's air defences -- from Debka. willthomas.net >>Iran’s air defenses are far more formidable than any the Israeli Air Force has yet faced**. Manufactured at the KBM factory near Moscow, Russian-supplied SA-18 Igla-S mobile missile batteries are said to be highly effective against low-flying jets. According to Russian [Israeli] intelligence sources known as DEBKA, the Igla’s mobility “makes them difficult to target and limits the maneuverability of Israeli planes.” DEBKA has also revealed that Russian advisers from the Raduga OKB engineering group based in Dubna near Moscow have completed installing two advanced radar systems around the Bushehr nuclear reactor on the Persian Gulf. Codenamed “Tin Shield”, the mobile 36D6 systems are modified to protect Iran’s Russian-supplied nuclear facilities from American or Israeli aircraft, stand-off missiles, and cruise missile attacks. On January 12, 2006, Tin Shields also went operational around the uranium enrichment plants at Isfahan in central Iran. Other air defenses supplied by Moscow to Syria—and most likely Iran—include advanced mobile SS-26 Iskander-E surface to surface missiles carrying a 1,000-pound multiple warhead capable of dodging air defense radars and electronic jamming, as well as surface-to-air SA-10 “Grumble” missiles capable of engaging several targets simultaneously at various altitudes, and SA-18 “Grouse” shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles fitted with a 4.5-pound high-explosive warhead. The SA-18 has a maximum range of 5.2 kilometers and a maximum altitude of 3.5 kilometers. Another major worry for Israeli pilots is Iran’s first satellite. Carried into orbit by a Russian booster in October 2005, the Sinah-1 can provide a “look down” capability to spot low-flying aircraft long before they intrude Iranian airspace. “The Iranians’ space programme is a matter of deep concern to us,” said an Israeli defence source at the time. “If and when we launch an attack on several Iranian targets, the last thing we need is Iranian early warning received by satellite.” Moscow has also supplied an estimated $1 billion worth of advanced Tor-M1 anti-missile systems capable of destroying guided missiles and laser-guided bombs dropped from high-flying aircraft. “Once the Iranians get the Tor-M1, it will make our life much more difficult,” worried an Israeli air force source. “We can’t waste time on this one."<< ** Don't forget, in the Yom Kippur War the Israeli airforce was decimated by Egyptian SAMs. biu.ac.il >>During the Yom Kippur War, which lasted 18 days, we lost about 100 planes, equaling approximately one-third of our air force.<<