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To: steve harris who wrote (213723)	1/20/2007 3:55:51 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You wouldn't see an unborn child as a child since you are for abortion being legal That's backward- at least for me. I haven't made a decision that a fetus isn't a child BECAUSE I am for abortion and have to twist facts to make it ok. I don't believe a fetus is a child with full rights until it is born, and thus abortion doesn't conflict with my definition of child. However, my own personal bright line is the first trimester, when a woman has had time to learn of the pregnancy and assess her situation from both the practical and emotional aspects. I imagine we will find an entire Bell curve of bright lines- perhaps a skewed one. I make no claim at all that mine should govern someone else's belief or even that it's entirely logical. That women have become far too careless about their bodies, and too cavalier in their decisions, is a different argument (and also, a matter of personal opinion). Removing the options doesn't solve that problem and takes away from reasonable, informed, and responsible women the ability to control their own lives. I dislike penalizing rational, responsible behavior even if it disagrees with my personal beliefs.

To: steve harris who wrote (213723)	1/20/2007 4:35:51 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Killing a born child is murder- but only because the state says it is. If the state allowed mothers to kill their child until the age of one, it wouldn't be murder if the state didn't call it murder. I really don't care when the state says a mother can get rid of unwanted children- I just want her to be able to do that, because I do think the unwanted child can pose a rather big risk to society. Their odds are not good. I think you labor under the impression that I don't believe an unborn child is a child. It's as much a child as any other child- but birth makes a nice easy distinction for the law, and I like nice easy distinctions (though I grant you, I guess I don't see a bundle of cells as a "child"- but that hardly matters, since it doesn't stay a bundle very long- and the way I view the cells has nothing to do with where I would terminate an unborn child's life).