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Politics : WAR on Terror. Will it engulf the Entire Middle East? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Scoobah who wrote (19854)	1/24/2007 12:52:26 AM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 32591

If you ask the same question to the Hassidic group of Jews known as the Naturei Karta, they will tell you that Abraham was not a Zionist BECAUSE Zionists first came into existence only relatively recently, i.e., about a couple of hundred years ago! And that they were Jews who have violated Torah doctrines/dictates by seeking to establish a homeland for the Jews before the advent of their Messiah! And, in this regard, the Zionists had even resorted to terroristic means. Recall that some of the early leaders of Israel --- Begin, Shamir, Rabin and Peres as well as Sharon --- were terrorists who were involved with the Irgun, Haganah & etc. I understand that the Naturei Karta believes that, as a consequence of the Zionists' violation of one or more sacred dictates, the Zionists' efforts to create a secure homeland for their brethren and other Jews have not been crowned with success ever since 1948 when Israel was formed with the connivance (or blessings, if you like) of Britain, France and the US. Some Karmists believe that the Zionists' systematic murder of Muslim leaders using precision munitions from the air has brought retribution to Israel. It would appear the Zionists were cursed with bad luck from the get-go, and, quite recently, their most illustrious leader, Sharon, was (providentially, as far as the Arabs are concerned) incapacitated at a time when his fellow Zionists needed him most! And don't forget that the score of Hizbollah vs. Israel to date is 2-0 in favour of Hizbollah! And Kahane, one of your heroes, was shot by a Syrian in America. Today we also have Zionists who are not Jews!!! Zionists are mostly secular folks (hypocrites included) who love to use Judaism as a protective cover from which to stigmatize others with anti-semitism and to threaten them. .

To: Scoobah who wrote (19854)	1/24/2007 12:40:14 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32591

Scoobah, That is a complex question, but I will give you a relatively simplistic answer. Abram, a non-Jew, "the father of a multitude", longed for a home land when he left Ur. As the story goes he was seeking a home land for his dusty culture-less tribe who did not live at peace with the Sumerians. Since he was not Jewish, but a Hebrew, the term Zionist would not be a good fit. There is a chap on SI who goes by the ID of "Shalom". He is very knowledgeable on these matters. His interpretations see to come from a Christian perspective. Member 1714219 May I recommend a great author on this subject? ABRAHAM - A Journey to the Heart of Three Faiths brucefeiler.com len