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To: Garden Rose who wrote (214781)1/25/2007 4:02:59 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
While much has been made of Leo Straus, and the possibility that he taught the Neocons everything they needed to know about the "noble" lie, I think this quote is more about what they were thinking:

Irving Kristol : “There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn't work.”

So I think, in the end, some (but perhaps not all) of the Neocons thought they had some sort of slippery truth that just wouldn't be recognized by the population at large unless they "simplified" it, by removing any evidence that might contradict that "simplified" truth. Now that isn't really a lie- it is being so attached to your own POV that you can't see that you are wrong, and it's about presenting data which is far from certain as being certain, because you believe it is certain and can't take in any other information- which is why we are where we are now, and why (I think) the population is going to be so skeptical in future of anything that comes out of DC. IMO



To: Garden Rose who wrote (214781)1/25/2007 4:16:52 PM
From: mistermj  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
There were no lies or made up intelligence. And a bipartisan congressional commission that investigated such things agrees with me.

You can't just keep demanding that there was a lie when you have no proof.

You end up looking silly...or worse.