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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Land Shark who wrote (76814)1/25/2007 10:08:38 PM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 93284
 
Gee Boston built all the slaves ships, I guess you won't miss them either.



To: Land Shark who wrote (76814)1/25/2007 10:13:40 PM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 93284
 
Hey Moron, which state had the most slaves in 1700 ?? New York, I guess we can do without them also



To: Land Shark who wrote (76814)1/26/2007 1:03:16 AM
From: LTK007  Respond to of 93284
 
Bush declassification unnerved White House aide By Andy Sullivan
Thu Jan 25, 5:49 PM ET


President George W. Bush's 2003 decision to declassify an intelligence report to rebut an Iraq war critic stirred unease even in the White House, an administration official said on Thursday in the perjury trial of a vice presidential aide.

White House communications official Cathie Martin said she was "not comfortable" in July of that year when her boss, Vice President Dick Cheney, told her to use the information to counter charges that the administration had manipulated intelligence to build a case for invading Iraq.

"I wasn't sure if I could use that point because it was related to the NIE," Martin said, referring to a classified National Intelligence Estimate report that said Saddam Hussein had sought to buy uranium from Niger.

Martin was not aware that Bush had already declassified the report by that time.

Bush drew criticism last spring when he admitted he declassified the report and authorized White House officials to leak it to reporters to counter criticism from former ambassador Joseph Wilson, who said the administration ignored his findings that no uranium sale had taken place.

Martin said she was "still not comfortable about the NIE" even as Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, began sharing the information with reporters.

"I was aggravated that Scooter was calling the reporters and I wasn't," Martin said as her husband, Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin, watched from the front row of the courtroom.

RECESSED FOR DAY

The trial recessed for the day and was to resume on Monday.

Libby resigned from Cheney's office when he was charged with lying to investigators as they sought to determine who blew the cover of Wilson's wife, CIA operative Valerie Plame, after Wilson went public with his charges.

Nobody has been charged with blowing Plame's cover.

Libby's lawyers say he did not lie deliberately to the FBI and a grand jury, but did not remember correctly what were trivial conversations at a time when he was preoccupied with national security matters. Cheney is expected to testify on Libby's behalf.

Prosecutors hope to show that Libby's top priority at the time was to rebut Wilson's charges.

Martin is the third government official to testify that they told Libby of Plame's identity up to a month before he says he learned of her from a reporter. The other two officials have admitted under cross-examination to giving conflicting accounts of their conversations with Libby.

Martin said Cheney directed her to monitor TV and print coverage of the emerging scandal and drafted a list of talking points to shift blame away from the vice president two days after Wilson went public in July 2003.

One item on Cheney's list, based on classified information, said that the intelligence community still believed Saddam sought uranium from Africa despite Wilson's report.

Martin currently works as deputy director of communications for policy and planning in the White House.

Former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer is expected next on the witness stand. Defense lawyers hope to point out that Fleischer agreed to testify in exchange for a guarantee of immunity in the investigation.

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To: Land Shark who wrote (76814)1/26/2007 1:55:26 AM
From: LTK007  Respond to of 93284
 
We are still fighting the civil war.
Too lazy myself now to get into writing mode on this so i just grabbed this bit off the net that in fair amount applies to now
i here highlight the last paragraph of this article of being especially appropiate to now.
<<As the ancient Greeks knew, the pursuit of honour often leads people to attack others, to drive them down, in order to inflate themselves. The Greeks called such behaviour hubris, and believed that hubris inevitably resulted in disaster. It certainly did for the Confederacy.>>
Especially appropiate i'd say for indeed Bushism is a resurrecting of the "Code of The South" and like it, unless he is stopped, will inevitably lead to a disaster, not for just The South but the entire country.
One thing that makes me ill-at-ease with so many "libs" on these boards is they are too too much the antithesis of Southern Culture, they are indeed wimpy and have yielded miles and miles of ground to the South Rises Again by giving away inch after inch to this Southern Bushism because it is manifest they are incapable i taking a forceful stand--at least so far.
Bush should of course be impeached but the " o confrontation makes me nervous. Let's think peace and unity" of the majority of anti-Bushers is enabling of Bush.
Lincoln was not exactly that kind of man at all, he confronted, head on, the culture of the south, a culture he believed to be evil, and he, in fact, used that word "evil" regards the culture of the south
Bush remains because they are up against equivocators, hem and hawwers, those without conviction enough to make the right move and cry out "Impeach Bush NOW!".
He, Bush, thus remains and is still proceeding with his darkness as persons in numbers even remotely sufficient are not there to do the actions needed to bring Impeachment proceedings into motion; vigorous motion. Max90

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Sword of honour (The ancient code of insult and revenge in America’s South)
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 07/26/03 | Paul Robinson

Posted on 07/24/2003 10:24:08 AM PDT by Pokey78

Paul Robinson on the ancient code of insult and revenge that is still prevalent in the American South
If you are looking for some fun, and have a research grant to spend, try this. Visit an American university, bump into random students in the corridor and loudly call each one ‘a**hole’. Then measure their reactions. This is what a team of psychologists did in a controlled experiment at the University of Michigan. The results were most interesting. Students from the southern part of the United States reacted far more violently and aggressively than those from the North, were shown to have much higher levels of cortisone and testosterone, and in tests regularly suggested more belligerent solutions to problems. America, it seems, remains culturally divided along the Mason–Dixon line, and the crucial difference now, as at the time of the American Civil War, is honour.

In the modern era, honour is generally considered obsolete. As Guy Crouchback notes in Evelyn Waugh’s novel Officers and Gentlemen, it is a ‘thing that changes. I mean, 150 years ago we would have had to fight if challenged. Now we’d laugh.’ However, it is only the language of honour that has vanished, not the idea. Carrying out research for a book on the subject of war and honour, I have repeatedly found that, although the details of what constitutes honourable behaviour have changed over the centuries, its essence has not. The core of honour remains what it always has been — a desire to be a person of worth in one’s own eyes and those of others — and that desire is as powerful now as it was when Achilles rampaged through the ranks of the Trojans.

That is not to say that everything is as it was. In the case of the American South, for instance, honour was once based on race. What chiefly conferred worth on a white man, be he rich or poor, was the fact that he was neither black nor female. Things now are rather different. There is a ‘New South’, the rich, modern, urban, forward-looking society one discovers in contemporary Atlanta. Time has moved on. But as the Michigan experiments demonstrated, southerners retain two vital aspects of the old honour system: a high degree of sensitivity to insults and a tendency to respond with violence and aggression. This has important consequences today, as it did in America’s past. Indeed, the parallels between the present and the Civil War era are very striking, and may lead one to believe that despite the growth of the New South not so very much has changed.

From the earliest days of the American Republic, honour played a vital role in the political process. The famous duel between Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton is only the most notable example. There were many others. Even Abraham Lincoln once accepted a challenge to a duel, though it was never actually fought. The code of honour was strongest, though, in the South (one theory postulates that this was because of the Celtic, free-ranging herder origins of many southern settlers). Had Boris Johnson been editing this magazine in mid-19th-century Mississippi, he would most likely now be dead. Taki certainly would be. In the 1840s and 1850s, three successive editors of the Mississippi Sentinel were killed in duels. The next survived only because she was a woman, and thus immune from challenges.

Sensitivity over one’s honour was more than a purely personal matter. It was southern honour that caused the War of 1812. The areas of America that were suffering most from the British impressment of American sailors, and who had most to gain from expansion to the West and a possible conquest of Canada, were opposed to the war. In the vital vote in Congress to declare war on Britain, senators from the maritime areas of north-eastern America voted against war. It was the senators from the South who voted in favour, not because they were suffering from British policy, but because they regarded it as outrageous, an insult to America’s young nation, a challenge which could not be rejected without undermining their honour and their manhood.

Some 50 years later, the South seceded from the Union. Opponents of the Confederacy generally argue that it did so to preserve slavery. Its supporters counter that slavery was a secondary issue, that states’ rights were more important. Increasingly, though, scholars are citing another factor altogether: southern honour. As the historian Bertram Wyatt-Brown has pointed out, slavery provoked the secessional crisis, but ‘southern honour pulled the trigger’.

The kind of honour I am referring to here is not the gentility of men such as Robert E. Lee. It is the rougher sort embodied in the code duello, which encouraged men to engage in vainglorious bouts of one-upmanship and to respond to insults with violence. Among the poor, the violence took the form of no-holds-barred gouging and scratching contests, the aim of which was to tear out an opponent’s eye or otherwise permanently disfigure him. Among the rich, it took the more formal shape of the duel. But the essential point was the same — an honourable man never accepted insults; he responded to them with force.

In 1861 this led to war. An interesting point is that the South had no need to leave the Union. Lincoln was not proposing the abolition of slavery, and even if he had been, he could not have enacted it. Pro-slavery elements continued to control both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court. The ‘peculiar institution’ was not under threat. But to southerners, Lincoln’s election was a provocation too far. It followed years of anti-slavery agitation which had labelled the southern way of life inferior and degenerate. One Republican actually announced that ‘the South is the poorest, meanest, least productive and most miserable part of creation, and therefore ought to be continually teased and taunted and reproached and reviled’. For southerners brought up to believe that insults must be met with force, the ultimate insult — the election of Abraham Lincoln — had to be met not just with secession but with a deliberate pursuit of war. Some southerners still like to call what resulted the ‘War of Northern Aggression’, but the truth is that the South started it knowingly and with open eyes.

Letters from Confederate soldiers make it clear that, once fighting started, they considered it a matter of honour and duty to join the colours. When it was all over, they consoled themselves with the thought that the years of struggle had not been in vain. The war had been lost but, through the everlasting fame which the Confederate armies had won, honour had been saved.

If all this seems remote from the current era, consider that the American Civil War was, according to James McPherson, one of its foremost historians, America’s first pre-emptive war. As he describes it, the South’s way of life was not immediately under threat, but southerners chose to pre-empt what they saw as a potential future threat by seceding. The honour code dictates that one loses face if one does not respond to an insult, but one does not always know whether something is an insult. So it is always best to treat it as if it were. Similarly, it is better to get one’s strike in before an opponent has a chance to hit first, even if perhaps he never intended to attack anyway. Thus, one secessionist commented in 1860 that if one sees a sleeping, curled-up rattlesnake, one doesn’t wait until it wakes and unwraps itself before killing it: precisely the logic of the 2002 US national security strategy.

Other parallels between the old South and the present are not hard to find. The years before the Civil War saw a rapid expansion in the number of military institutes and academies in the South. After years of decline, these schools and colleges are now once again enjoying a revival. Confederate armies were famous for their religiosity. The modern United States army is remarkably similar. It is not uncommon to find American generals beginning meetings with prayers, just as they might have under Stonewall Jackson. The ante-bellum South was famous for its militarism. Contemporary southerners continue to be disproportionately represented in the US military, and opinion polls consistently show far greater support for all forms of military action among the states of the South than in those of the North.

In a much discussed recent book, Walter Russell Mead identifies four strands of American foreign policy: Jeffersonian, Hamiltonian, Wilsonian and Jacksonian. Jacksonians follow the ideas of President Andrew Jackson, the archetype of ante-bellum, aggressive southern honour, who fought more than a dozen duels. They see the pursuit of national honour as the prime purpose of policy. Right now, Jacksonianism reigns triumphant in the halls of American power. The South’s political influence has possibly never been greater. It was Al Gore’s failure to win a single state in the old Confederacy that lost him the presidency, and George Bush Sr’s nemesis came in the form of Ross Perot, a Texan who in 1953 almost singlehandedly devised the current Honour Code of the US Naval Academy at Annapolis.

Jacksonian rhetoric has spearheaded America’s recent wars. The word ‘honour’ is rarely used, but substitutes such as ‘credibility’ abound in official speeches. Nato had to bomb Yugoslavia because the ‘credibility of the alliance was at stake’. Coalition forces had to invade Iraq because Saddam Hussein was ‘undermining the credibility of the UN’. Saddam was not a threat to the USA, but he was a living insult to its honour. Despite all the efforts of the most powerful state on earth, he had for ten years continued to survive and defy America’s wishes. For an administration driven by sentiments of honour, such an insult could not be permitted. Just as the South could not allow Lincoln to become their President, so George W. Bush could not allow Saddam to continue humiliating his country. Only war could satisfy honour.

As the ancient Greeks knew, the pursuit of honour often leads people to attack others, to drive them down, in order to inflate themselves. The Greeks called such behaviour hubris, and believed that hubris inevitably resulted in disaster. It certainly did for the Confederacy.

Paul Robinson is assistant director of the Centre for Security Studies at the University of Hull. He has also served as an intelligence officer in the British and Canadian armies.>>