To: Solon who wrote (20236 ) 1/29/2007 2:08:12 PM From: Richnorth Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 32591 You wrote: The issue is trying to contain BARBARISM so that civilized values may endure. That is a moot point when looked at in relation to what had actually happened in history. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire (ca. 1920), Britain and France arbirarily carved up the Middle East between themselves and exploited their colonial possessions bigtime and brutally, too! Had the colonial masters treated the Arabs fairly and squarely from the outset by, say, sharing oil profits with their colonials and helping them in other ways, I am sure the Arabs would not be as bitterly dead set against the west as they are today. The evil that the west has perpetrated against the Arabs by exploiting and robbing them blind of the their oil wealth, and by killing some of them with poison gas (because Churchill had deemed them to be "sub-humans") have, no doubt, been etched into the Arab psyche which now cries out loud for redress, justice, cessation of the evil of the past, and for being left alone. (Recall that Osama said that as American presence has been defiling the sanctity of Saudi Arabia, he wants the Americans out pronto!) To be sure, little did the colonial masters of a bygone era realize that the Arabs of today would be fighting against them with a missionary zeal that is extraordinarily enduring and mind-boggling! Like it or not, the universe has evolved, as it should. The consciousness of the once oppressed and/or colonised peoples has awakened of their own accord or was awakened by the Japanese example. Indeed, the tide of nationalism has risen in former colonised lands. No longer are erstwhile colonised peoples willing to live under a colonial yoke of any kind. They have found their own birthright and they are asserting themselves and doing what they believe is necessary to protect their sovereignty. But many in America and Britain still labour under the delusion that exploiting/colonising militarily-weaker nations to be their God-given privilege. Rather than admit honestly their greed for oil and aspirations for world hegemony, they foist upon an unsuspecting or dumbed-down American and British public their noble-sounding claim of attempting to contain barbarism. If only America would be less greedy for oil and be less obsessed with being top dog in the world, and Israel would relinquish its desire to be top regional power, I believe the present problems in the Middle East will gradually disappear. Before the creation of Israel in 1948, Arabs and Jews had lived in peaceful coexistence. But ever since 1948, the Middle East has become such a hotbed of armed conflicts that today many feel that it would help matters considerably if Israel is relocated elsewhere --- say, to Slavic Europe or somewhere suitable in America. And why not? as faith is transportable and the Jews have the genius and reputation for making deserts bloom. .