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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (215597)	1/30/2007 5:03:19 PM
From: Suma	Respond to of 281500

God Ed this was a magnificent post.. It blew my mind for it's clarity and the way in which you express the facts... I just hope that those to whom you address this message really GET IT... Unfortunately I am afraid that they don't,won't and actually really don't care to do so. Talk about ideologies... that passion,heart and belief in what you are doing is the essential component in fighting a war. A program on the radio I listened to last night talked about this war not being a MORAL war. That it was started on false premises and then those were changed again and again so that we really don't know what we are fighting for now except to quell the terrorists.. insurgents... etc. They weren't there when we started... so how did they just come about. That is what we all should be examining ... Thanks for making my day in reading TWO of your most recent posts. You make an old heart swell...So glad you are here.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (215597)	1/30/2007 5:10:28 PM
From: Lou Weed	Respond to of 281500

Great post Ed...... MON.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (215597)	1/30/2007 5:56:41 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>> Let's say that 90% of the people on this bulletin board think you're thick headed and ignorant. ONLY 90%?! You are much too generous. Mary Cluney just made a joke about Clinton's affair by insinuating that the Conservatives' "Physical Evidence" only shows that Bill had sex with Monica's dress...now this is the kind of logic these guys understand and use for their demented arguments. "Win" the argument at any costs, who cares about the truth.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (215597)	1/30/2007 8:14:25 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

First, did Putin really say that or is that just another one of the Bush Administrations disinformation lies? Putin said and the liberal press even reported it. June 18 2004 - CNN even reported it. I know you don't know of it as it conflicts with your cherished world view. Denial of reality - the first refuge of liberal scoundrels. Third, if he lied it was a brilliant lie viewed in terms of strategic value to the Russians. What did he gain? Russia opposed overthrowing SAddam. Because your simple little "But Russia's our buddy and the cold war is over" thinking is naive. All nations compete militarily, economically and socially. A proud nation like Russia will never be content with living in the shadow of a nation that employs its power to dictate policy and trade. I see - now liberals think the cold war is still on. They didn't when it was real, but now they believe in it. At this very moment they're countering our moves in the UN, in Iran and throughout the Middle East. That was the case before we invaded Iraq and it's ongoing. The difference is that the Russians were weaker before we got mired down in an Iraq war that sucked off our resources and distracted us from critical needs. Hows that? Russian oil companies had been offered sweetheart oil deals by Saddam, but lost them. BTW what do you think is a "critical need"? The Russians now occupy the enviable position of being seen as a major counterweight to an American nation that is viewed as a dangerous world bully, and stupid to boot. If you don't think there is a new commonality of interest between the Russians, the Chinese, some South American states, and some Middle Eastern States then you are even more obtuse than your posts would indicate. I see - you believe there is a new worldwide Russian empire being built. PLease list the South American nations and ME states moving into the Russian camp? You simply can't comprehend that it's not the number of people that don't like you that counts, it's the number of people that dislike you so passionately that they'll try to kill you, or at least help those who will try to kill you. I think AQ fills the bill - they hate us and want to kill us. And is so happens OBL listed the Iraqi sanctions as a key justification for the fatwa against America. His organization originated during the sanctions period remember. Let me try to make it really, really, really, really....(keep on going here cause it's going to have to be rock-in-the-head-plain simple before you get it.) Let's say that 90% of the people on this bulletin board think you're thick headed and ignorant. That's a 90% anti-Brumar sentiment. Is your life in danger? That would mean 90% of the people on this board are fools. Sounds about right. This board is infested with stupid people. The fact that you and geode are considered brilliant proves that. No my life isn't in danger. You people are too incompetent to be dangerous. Well, what if you killed some of their children, raped some of their women, or men, and threatened the rest of their families. It's still 90% anti-Brumar sentiment right, but is there some, itsy bitsy, teeny weeny little bit of difference regarding whether your life is in danger? HUH? What changed? And what changed in the world when pictures of Iraqi women and children lying dead beside American shrapnel started showing up all across the world? What changed when America started ignoring the Geneva Accords and pictures of dead and tortured Muslim men started showing up around the world? And what changed when Americans started knocking down doors and taking men from their families to be held without hearings, without charges and for indefinite periods of time? Nothing changed. The world was looking at pictures of baby coffins being carried by crowds through Iraqi streets throughout the sanctions period. The world - especially most of the ME - believed we were killing IRaqi babies just for the hell of it. Like I said, there was anti-American propaganda saying America was killing IRaqi women and children before and the same now. Why you can't grasp the sitaution is the same. "taken the terrorist bulls eye off Russia and put it on ourselves" I said that and it's true. Before we invaded Iraq the Russians had a growing problem with the Chechnian rebels and the Muslim world was directing much anger there. You don't hear much about that now, do you? As a matter of fact: "Extra Police Deployed as Russia Steps Up Security Amid Terror Alert Wednesday, January 17, 2007 Associated Press" Recent enough for you? Try searching under Russia terror alert on ask.com news. As far as talking to you about Vietnam, how do you discuss that intelligently with someone who has absolutely no friggen idea of the political, strategic and social realities of that conflict, and who doesn't want to learn what it taught us about the limits of conventional military power and the way cultures respond to foreign "help?" A lot of human beings died to teach us a lesson there and you don't even have enough thinking power, or listening power, to get a glimmer of an idea. It was a great liberal victory against America. And thats a fact. You guys get mad when that is pointed out. In fact, VN could have ended like Korea. That "forced to fight" bullshit was 100% misinformation.<?i> Happens all the time. And has been true throughout history. The truth is, canyondweller, that your sloganistic "thinking" is based upon the most one-sided propaganda imaginable. I urge you to abandon your dream world.