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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Sully- who wrote (54794)	1/31/2007 1:20:19 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

That list includes anyone who voted for Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, John Kerry, Dick (head) Durbin, Madeleine Albright, Jay Rockefeller, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Sandy Berger, Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, Nancy Pelosi, Bob Graham, Robert Byrd, Henry Waxman, Bob Graham, etc, etc, ad nauseam. Maybe we can get them all to repeat the Clinton Anthem in unison..... now repeat after me..."Ah did not have any voting relationship with that vote for wahr."

To: Sully- who wrote (54794)	2/1/2007 2:51:33 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 90947

Funny how you blame it ALL on Bush & NEVER, ever find fault with any Dem politicians who came to the same conclusions as most rational people drew after viewing the same evidence as Bush & other Republicans & not only drew the same conclusions, they also voted for Saddam's removal. Interesting claims, educate me please. Did all the politicians that drew the same conclusion view the same evidence as Bush? Where is this collection of evidence that they all viewed? At the end of the day, the buck stops somewhere, right? Leading the USA into war with Iraq is primarily Bush's decision and Bush's responsibility. He agrees with that, you should as well. Then when things got tough, like you, they did everything in their power to distance themselves from the fighting including overt obstructionism, acts of treachery & outrageous lies which often aided & abetted the enemy. I would replace "when things got tough" with "after three years when the administration's plan was universally seen as not succeeding....". What they didn't do was work in a bipartisan, patriotic manner to ensure a path to victory. What they did do was work in a bipartisan, patriotic manner to ensure the best plan for the country is pursued. The entire Congress says the President's plan is the wrong plan for the USA. The one failing to act in a bipartisan manner is the President. Face it, it's in the best interests of the USA to leave Iraq and let the local population descend into anarchy and civil war. Sunnis and Shias killing each other for a decade or so in the ME leaves each other as the logical target for the violent extremists among them, and takes "the West" off the radar screen completely. What Sunni do you think is going to plot a bombing in a Dutch disco when you can go bomb the enemy Shia three blocks down the street? How much of a threat to anyone were Iran and Iraq during their 8 year war? ZERO. Leaving Iraq now would be the equivalent of figuring out how to get the North Koreans to attack the Chinese - suddenly, the threat from NK to our interests becomes nil. Same thing if Iraq descends into a Sunni-Shia all out war.