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To: one_less who wrote (216595)	2/6/2007 2:18:20 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I agree and I hope the public is also starting to see the futility of delivering democracy at gunpoint. As I said before, whenever I have heard some pundit discuss the 'noble goal' of bring democracy to the middle east, I would get a cartoon-like mental picture of bombs over Bahgdad with gay little ribbon-wrapped packages of democracy tied to the sides of each bomb. It always seemed to me to be a nonsensical notion from the outset. I'm not at all a historian, but I would think that the strongest and purest democracies are those that were born from within and evolved over time.

To: one_less who wrote (216595)	2/6/2007 2:18:59 PM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

<democracy and Islam are not incompatible concepts> Of course they are not incompatible. But democracy without rule of law is impossible. Unless your goal is anarchy and/or dictatorship, you start with basic law and order. An illegal invasion that stood by and watched as looting and lawlessness spun out of control, that engaged in prisoner abuse, secret prisons and stood by as torture became widespread is not exactly laying the foundations for democracy. It is not about Islam - it is about the central place of the rule of law in any government that aspires to be democratic.