To: ogi who wrote (32607 ) 2/12/2007 5:39:33 PM From: E. Charters Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 78424 Probably Will is not the same cloth as bro. From what I heard there was never any love lost from a while back. I think John either is a laissez-faire non corpus mentus manager who never ever knew what was going, on which is a major stroke against him -- or he is putting us on. Sad. On the other hand Will does not have to be in the same classification. He is saddled with the family name however. So far John is not indicted for anything, but there has to be major suspicion in many investor's minds. The courts are incompetent to decide on these technical matters, such as the geochems. They could not figure out when an assertion about this geo matter or that was complete hooey or what the smoking guns of parole evidence there are. (PA refers to industry standards and practice, that while reliable indicators are in fact hear-say.. but allowable..) The fact that John and DeGuzman travelled on motor bikes all over collecting placer gold, and once before promoted the same property on the Aussie exchange does not augur well. It could be regional exploration. Is there room to assume innocence with JF? The circumstances are damning as hell. The thing is, could JF be that totally taken in by the thing? DeGuzman had him on a string? He (JF) used to show people barren sections and mineralized and explain carefully how he "knew" the reason why this or that ran. This sort of behaviour is a sign that if he was taken in, he certainly did not do careful investigation of his own. He said he personally took charge and supervised of the massively phony ten metal geochems. How do you fake all those anomalous metals except out of whole cloth? The spectre of JF in a massive chem lab, titrating a series of elements just so into the kraft bags is a hoot. Is that what the fire was all about, to destroy that evidence? At least two companies went on the property and backed out when they resampled some geochem anomaly areas. Barrick and Rio Tinto backed out in February 1997 after re-assaying sections of the core that they somehow got a hold of. Of course there is not a permissive shear or a speck of alteration in any of the core. Just tight sandstone, and deeper fractures with pyritic and Pb enriched veinlets of 1-2 cms. Odd looking stuff. Hardly in fact a Maar Diatreme that they said it was. It did not have diatreme texture, except for the fractured barren of PM veining here and there. EC<:-}