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To: Frank13 who wrote (226241)	2/17/2007 4:50:10 PM
From: DRBES	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

When AMD was plastering this sort of stuff all about downtown NYC it did have just such an advantage...NO, it tells me nothing :)

To: Frank13 who wrote (226241)	2/17/2007 8:06:55 PM
From: j3pflynn	Respond to of 275872

Frank13 - re: "I mean, doesn't tell you something when AMD sponsors a study on the amount of energy spent by servers?" Yes, that AMD pays attention to that which matters to the customer. Performance isn't the only important metric. If performance is roughly similar, and the greater "delta" is in performance per unit power, then why wouldn't they accentuate that? You don't think Intel would do the same?

To: Frank13 who wrote (226241)	2/18/2007 4:37:45 AM
From: aleph0	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

On the subject of "energy efficiency", I think you have made an important point. Ironically, low-energy CPUs such as Geode do not fetch premium pricing .. yet ! I posted on IV about my search since months for a low-energy PC based on Geode - miniPCs as they are called ..... and discovered that the complete machines fetch almost silly prices. Typically you have to pay 400-700 Euros for one here in Germany. For that money, one could easily get an AMD 5000+ X2 machine with all the trimmings !!!! Even on Ebay, the machines fetch 300-400 Euros, and that's without a DVD/CD or OS ! More interesting was the number of User-Visits these items are getting. One item had over 1100 User-Views, ca. 40 bids and sold for 324 Euros - without CD/DVD or OS ! Normally the # of user-views for Desktops etc. is around 50-200 on average IMO ! My WBMaker friend and I checked out suppliers and couldn't find a single supplier that offered Geode solutions ( Mobos, Cases, PSUs etc. ) at decent prices. He said that a few years ago , he could get Geode SFF fairly priced, now he noticed that the suppliers no longer try to sell the Mobos singly, but offer complete systems with appropriately high pricing! Short-term , I'm just going to use a normal cheap-case/PSU and probably a PC-Chips K7-Mobo with embedded VGA and Ethernet ( ca. 20 Euros ) and put an 800MHz Geode in it to see what power-consumption readings I get. A 40GB harddisk uses about 5W. My point : It seems that many people are looking for something similar, but don't want to pay the silly prices that HP and the likes want for their EE machines/Thin-Clients etc. For most offices, I'd imagine that an 800MHZ Geode is more than enough for browsing the internet, writing a letter or running an Office application such as Book-Keeping or order-entry. I'd like to see AMD come out with an almost complete mobo+cpu that one could attach an external PSU to, and would fit into an ATX or DTX case. Maybe the new DTX format ( as someone mentioned earlier here ) will be the start ? Suppliers etc. are charging a small fortune even for just the empty case ( 60+ Euros ) , just because it's SFF or slimline. I also have an ALLNET Disk-server with 1 GBit LAN, USB + Firewire. It works nicely, probably has some embedded Linux running Samba. A web-server service is also included. The only thing missing is a Database service ! If they'd have done that, I wouldn't be looking around for an energy-efficient Linux box. on Geode Products I've been looking for a low-energy Geode product everywhere ! Nobody seems to offer these at decent prices apart from the odd Ebay offering. They charge s small fortune for Mini ATX solutions .. 400 Euros and above for example. What I did notice is that the number of hits that these products get on Ebay is extremely high in compariosn to the standard stuff - Desktops, notebooks etc. .. which means that one hell of a lot of people are looking for these ! My Spec : 9W-14W total power-consumption including 500MHz, 256MB and 40GB - external PSU Why the hell doesn't AMD buy a small manufacturing company to build such a system and then market it. I'd willingly pay say up to 200 Euros. Would also be a big market for thin-clients for example. My plan is to use it as a small Linux Home server for database, internet-proxy, apache etc. Cost of production IMHO (just a guess) : Mobo - Embedded VGAwith 64MB, 2 USB, 10/100 Ethernet, Sound - 20 Euros Geode 500/800 (no cooler required) - 15 Euros 256MB ( older generation memory ) - 15 Euros External PSU - 5 Euros 40GB disk - ca. 20 Euros DVD-ROM - 15 Euros Casing in Mini-Book format - 15 Euros Assembly : 10 Euros Total costing .. ca. 115 Euros End-User price 199, Euros I reckon they could sell 200,000 per month easily !! 200,000 x 84 Euros profit x 12 x 1.31$= ca. 260 mio.$ p.a. additional "profit" www1.investorvillage.com .. and ... Re: on Geode Products Geode Example : 399 Euros ! minitechnet.de HP Compaq Thinclient : 540-599 Euros T5720 AMD 1200 Geode nx1500 512MB 256MB XPE DDR (ML) (EG839AAUUZ) PC System www0.de.shopping.com Mini ITX - NO GEODES, only VIA and C2D spo-comm.de Star-466 Thin Client Solutions (Geode GX2-466) : Barebone system starts at 229$ with 256MB but no hard drive cappuccinopc.com Mini PC3 - Geode LX-800 at 500 MHz - 12W ca. : 690 Euros Includes 512MB , 80GB, WLAN, No DVD/CD possible ! testticker.de IDF: AMD zeigt Mini-PC mit Geode NX und Dual-Core-Rechner : Developer-Board costs 600$ ( AMDs Entwicklungs-Board Geode NX DB1500 kostet pro Stück rund 600,- US-Dollar. ) ( haven't seen any products based on this yet ) Entwickler-Board im Mini-ITX-Format soll Produktdesign beschleunigen golem.de Obviously, this market segment is making fantastic profits - that is, if they really sell them at these prices. My guess is they are all priced high to give corporate buying-in depts. e.g. 40% discounts to move the product ! Compaq for example used exactly this strategy to get into the corporate market. A friend of mine used to be a Compaq dealer - he got over 50% discount on the (over-priced) boxes, knowing that the corporates always expected at least 30% discount !