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To: kumar who wrote (219103)	2/17/2007 10:56:48 PM
From: kumar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

If you go to a mosque, you will hear the words (apologies for spelling mistakes) : La Illah, il ilah, Mohamed il rasul-illah. It means in English - there is no god but god, and mohammed is his messenger. Is this any different from Christians believing that Jesus is the messenger or Jewish faith people believing that Moses is the messenger, or Buddhists believing that Gautam Budha was their messenger or Jains believing that Mahavir Jain was their messenger ?

To: kumar who wrote (219103)	2/18/2007 12:13:28 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Kumar, isn't "Allah oh Akhbar" a Goedelian tautology? <please do remember that the phrase "Allah oh Akhbar" means "God is great". > Meaning anyone who says "Allah oh Akhbar" is silly. en.wikipedia.org They might as well say "Water is wet". Well, yes. "Rock is hard". Good observation. "Gravity pulls things together". True enough. "Everything is all there Is". Can't go wrong with that. Saying "Allah oh Petite" would be silly too, because if Allah is in charge of everything, ipso facto, casus belli he's a big deal and is inherently the Greatest, not just Great, or Petite. Cassius Clay said "I am the Greatest", which is better than Great. brainyquote.com That was before he became a Black Moslem and changed his name to Muhammad Ali. So if Cassius Clay was the Greatest, it's inadequate to say Allah is merely Great. Which is like saying Allah is Petite. Effeminate even, like Adam's rib rather than the main deal. To be verbally correct, Allah would have to be called Really Truly Bigger than The Greatest, even including Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali. It should be enough to say "Allah Is" as that includes everything automatically. Which itself is a bit of an indignity for the Main Man because saying "Allah Is" implies that the speaker considers the possibility that "Allah Isn't". Which I'm sure could be taken as giving offence. One doesn't go around saying "Gravity Is", or "Existence Is". Well, yes, they do exist, if we accept our consciousness as being real, which we don't seem to have any choice but to do, though dreams can leave us confused about what's real, and what's not, until we wake from our dreams, to realize that wasn't real at all, then waking again for real, because we were dreaming about dreaming in layered surrealism. I'm sure my current state is real, but am not offering my usual double your money back guarantee. Since gravity is considered a benign force without judicial quality, [unless one ignores strictures about defying gravity by jumping off cliffs], one can insult gravity without concern. But insulting Allah by saying "Allah Is!" is hazardous to health, I imagine, unless of course there isn't an Allah, in which case one could say "Allah Is" with impunity. But then there would be no point in saying it, as it would be false. Moslems should stop insulting Allah, who if he is really in business, is perfectly capable of being as great as he/she chooses. Maybe the constant insults from Moslems is why he/she/they has made it that Moslems are universally running very poor countries, other than a few such as Kuwait with huge oil deposits; which are only super valuable because American, Japanese etc infidels give some spare money for the oil. Jews by comparison don't even use -od's name. Using Go-'s name is considered an insult, and perhaps invites God'- wrath. Note that Jews have a LOT more money than Moslems. Maybe Moslems are envious and that's why they hate Jews so much. Envy is one of the seven deadly sins. Maybe if Moslems wrote "All-h" instead of spelling it out, things would go better for them and they'd get rich too. At first, I was thinking that All-h must have favoured Moslems by putting so much oil in their areas, then I realized that the main benefit is to the Great Satan, which actually uses the hydrocarbons. The Moslems get US$ which they then use to buy weaponry, which they use to kill and repress mainly each other, and the money goes back to the USA again. Iraq has the double problem [if we believe Iraqi polls] of Americans going over there. The oil in Iraq hasn't been of benefit to the faithful for a very long time. It's also perhaps a cruel joke by All-h on blasphemous Moslems who constantly use "All-h the Fairly Great"'s name in vain for personal benefit, [a double insult], that oil is the cause of the greenhouse effect, aka global warming, aka climate change, aka climate disturbance. Guess which part of the world really doesn't need any more warming! Oil seems even to be a bit of a curse. A King Midas issue. Mqurice

To: kumar who wrote (219103)	2/18/2007 12:19:56 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

If they were saying "Allah oh Akhbar" means "God is great" ....Why did 4 suicide planes filled with innocent people, crash into buildings with thousands of innocent people... Did those murdering barbarians think God (by any name) would be pleased????