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To: carranza2 who wrote (219557)	2/19/2007 4:48:32 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Perjury was what Ilaine called it, I don't know what the official charge is. E.g, At any rate, I brought up Clinton's perjury trial in the context of Libby's perjury , Message 23298400 , take it up with her if you have a problem with that characterization. My understanding was that Fitzgerald was looking into who outed Plame, and Libby claimed, among numerous other things, that he first heard of Plame's CIA linkage from Tim Russert, of all people. Libby may well get off, but the story that came out at trial, of all manner of Cheney / Bush operatives in a tizzy over Wilson's op-ed, crawling over each other in the kind of smear campaign that W's operatives have alway prided themselves on, is certainly quite a contrast with the official line at the time. But apparently in you indisputable POV, in true W "personal responsibility" fashion, the buck stops as far away from W as possible, in this case apparently with Fitzgerald. Certainly not with Cheney, who would seem to be the prime mover here in the reality-based community version. Cheney's obviously the victim, but more on that elsewhere.

To: carranza2 who wrote (219557)	2/20/2007 10:06:04 AM
From: Bill	Respond to of 281500

If Fitzgerald had done his job, he would have refused to prosecute or even investigate after determining early on that La Femme Plame was not ever covert during the statutory time frame, a fact which should have led any ethical investigator to call off his dogs. Fitzgerald fell prey to the allure of being a bureaucrat. He was appointed to a plum assignment, with virtually unlimited funds to set up a brand new office with handpicked staff and authority to nose around the highest levels of power, unimpeded, for as long as he wanted. He was "the man". Unfortunately, ten minutes into being "the man", he learned there was no crime. So what does a good bureaucrat do in that situation? Call off the dogs? Send everyone home? No way. A good bureacrat waits it out. Fitz waited for two years. He waited for a "crime" to be committed. And Libby was the foil who gave Fitz the ammunition he needed to justify his boondoggle. Next thing you know, Fitz will be hawking his book...

To: carranza2 who wrote (219557)	2/20/2007 12:25:38 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

1. Plame was a NOC which is why the CIA ordered an investigation in the first place. Didn't you see MI 1 and the NOC list? 2. It is illegal to lie to federal investigators even if you're Scooter Libby. 3. What happened to the rightwing's love of law and order? Is this why Iraq and Afghanistan have gone so awry? I'm beginning to think that the rightwing really doesn't like law or order which would explain much of Iraq and Afghanistan.