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To: Elroy who wrote (219955)	2/21/2007 4:34:02 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Elroy, if you allow that "Jew" has two meanings, you can sort out a lot of the problems. The same word with two or more meanings has always been a communication problem. Not to mention food for many jokes. Jew means "religious brand". It also means "genetic type". Then there is the slang usage; "You are such a Jew!" meaning tightwad person [which is probably not permitted nowadays by the anti-racist norms and hate-crime laws]. Maybe there are more meanings too, which I can't think of. "Wandering Jew" is a plant which grows all over the place and hens like eating and which harbours lots of insects which hens also like eating and which produces delicious eggs. Google might have other usages. Mel Gibson might too. Mqurice

To: Elroy who wrote (219955)	2/21/2007 1:56:49 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

Are you telling me that if a person converts to Judaeism when he/she is 20, then at the age of 30 he/she meets some Jewish people he/she hasn't met before, they can probably tell that she's a convert and not born Jewish? I doubt that. Depending on the person of course, and assimilated the Jews are, they might be able to tell easily. The convert probably doesn't look Jewish, doesn't speak or view the world quite the same way. The more religious the community, the more likely they are going to be able to tell at a glace. It depends on the convert of course too. The easiest and most successful conversions I have seen are where the convert just felt at home with Jews before s/he ever thought of converting. I know one case where a woman was practically engaged to her boyfriend before she discovered he was of Italian and not Jewish heritage. He had seemed so Jewish that she and all her friends just assumed he was. I don't think the Japanese can tell that the Korean-born wife who has lived in Japan for 20 years is Korean. In fact, people who meet the Japanese speaking Korean national who has lived in Japan for 20 years will treat her as a Japanese. It's only when she announces her Korean nationality that their discrimination will appear, and that's what it is, discrimination. Elroy, you're just guessing here, and guessing wrong. Koreans always look Korean to the Japansese, and in fact - the Japanese being extremely ethnocentric - the Japanese treat Koreans who have been born in Japan for 2 or 3 generations as still being foreigners. Look it up.