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To: TimF who wrote (327079)2/22/2007 7:59:02 PM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574273
 
re: Income taxes will pay for future SS shortfalls.

No, they won't. They will pay debt owed by existing bonds.

re: When SS starts to spend more than the SS tax brings in the difference will be paid for from the income tax ("paying back" the loans from the "trust fund").

True, the debt borrowed by the government from the seniors that paid in their entire lives. Is that any less legitimate than the bonds sold to China or the people that bought US savings bonds? Can you choose what debts you pay?

re: But even if it was 100% dedicated, it would still be federal tax income, and federal spending. You could create any sort of dedicated taxes tied to whatever spending area you want and other then creating some extra bureaucracy, maybe some extra political difficulty in cutting or eliminating some program, and probably some greater inflexibility in the budget, the net effect is not significant.

The net effect is very significant. And SS was originally left out of the federal budget for good reason; it needs to be a separate entity that allows seniors to survive when they retire. It's our (meager) way of honoring our elderly for what they have contributed to our country. And not having 70+ year old folks go homeless on the streets in "the richest country in the world".

re: Social security taxes, are separate from the spending, and they have no intrinsic tie.

BS

re: Also a single act of congress could make defense something that is in "surplus" in the same way that you call social security something that is in surplus. Just designate a portion of the income tax to defense, or reduce the income tax while instituting a new defense tax. All the sudden (depending on the tax rates) you could say "defense is in surplus" but it would be a useless statement.

BS. SS is a profit center for the government; military is pure expense.

re: There is nothing ideological about this, I'm just pointing out simple facts. I could take these facts and later use them as part of some ideological or political argument, but they are not themselves artifacts of ideology.

Yeah, right. I was listening to a TRUE libertarian today on the radio... he was talking about how foregin wars are abhorrent to libertarians. How the cost, in lives, loss of freedom, and $'s is the antithesis of libertarian views.

When you start attacking the Iraq war as wholeheartedly as you attack SS then I will believe you are a libertarian instead of a Republican.