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To: ManyMoose who wrote (55250)	2/23/2007 11:29:42 AM
From: Oeconomicus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Hollywood created Jack Bauer in the same mold they use for any war story since Vietnam. The message is that anyone fighting in a war eventually becomes a sociopath. The only variation on the theme is that some torture and kill without remorse - or even seem to take perverse pleasure in it - while others (the good ones) are deeply conflicted over it.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (55250)	2/23/2007 11:59:42 AM
From: MrLucky	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

I don't support torture and I certainly don't think it should be glorified. Here is an excerpt from the UN: Torture is defined by the United Nations Convention Against Torture as "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity." In addition to state sponsored torture, individuals or groups may also inflict torture on others for similar reasons, however, the motive for torture can also be for the sadistic gratification of the torturer, as was the case in the Moors Murders. My comment: Taken literally, if this definition by the UN was adhered to, it would prohibit the physical or mental torture) by a country to find out who was carrying the suit case nuke which was destined for its capitol. Interesting.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (55250)	2/26/2007 3:03:53 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

<< "Yeah, I like 24 but the torture scenes are very off-putting. I don't support torture and I certainly don't think it should be glorified. I would prefer that Jack Bauer operate on a little higher plane." >> I also like '24' quite a bit (caveat - I've only watched the 1st 4 seasons thus far - I'm watching it all on DVD). Yes, some of the torture scenes are "very off-putting". Such is the nature of the beast of the "entertainment" industry these days. However, given the situations when Jack Bauer resorts to torture, it's hard to condemn each situation. When Jack has a known terrorist who is withholding key info about an imminent attack that could prevent the slaughter of hundreds or thousands of lives & that terrorist is unwilling to talk sans torture, then I think it is appropriate under those circumstances. Sometimes though, I think they take the torture/killing too far.