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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (14514)	2/25/2007 8:07:23 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

The "Jewish question", in general usage, usually refers to questions about the essential nature of Jews, often in reference to the nature of their relationship to non-Jews. I don't really get your answer - discussing how Jews are different from non-Jews doesn't need to produce positive or negative attitudes toward Jews amongst non-Jews. I can discuss how the Chinese are different from me, and have no positive or negative feelings about the Chinese. the half-amalgamated position of the Jews put them in a prime position to be seen as peripheral and disloyal as well as internally cohesive and conspiratory. Amidst rising anti-Semitism and the threat to the established Old Order, the Jews became a scapegoat - it did not help that a number of radicals of Jewish background were associated with these causes. This sounds like well known or at least radical Jews became a threat to "the old order" - that would obviously cause the tendency to retaliate against them. But I'm unaware of the Jewish threat to the German "old order", if that's what the writer is asserting. What did the Jews do, en masse, that posed a threat to "the old order"? However, as I mentioned it isn't inconceivable that serious discrimination could happen to some Muslim populations in various historically non-Muslim regions in the next few decades. If so, it would likely be because a number of radicals of Muslim background were associated with these causes. where "these causes" is today's Islamic radicalism. We all understand what that says today. But my question is, was there some ongoing Jewish radicalism in early years which produced the anti-Jewish behaviour?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (14514)	2/25/2007 12:45:53 PM
From: sea_urchin	Respond to of 22250

> I trust they feel the same way about AIPAC -- the lobby of a foreign country (Israel) which has a profound influence on US foreign policy, especially in the Mid East, and which many people feel was responsible for bringing the US into a series of never-ending "terrorist" wars. As well as a potentially disastrous war with Iran -- and over what? counterpunch.org >>"An American Strike on Iran is Essential for Our Existence" AIPAC Demands "Action" on Iran "Attack Iran! NOW! Or support GENOCIDE! and side with the new HITLER! Destroy Iran's nuclear facilities! NOW! Or reveal your thinly-disguised ANTI-SEMITISM!"<< Time to show those good "family values", I'd say.

To: sea_urchin who wrote (14514)	2/26/2007 2:34:04 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

I trust they feel the same way about AIPAC -- the lobby of a foreign country (Israel) which has a profound influence on US foreign policy, especially in the Mid East, Sheesh, you would think that AIPAC was the only lobby in the US to hear some of the talk lately. As if the poor naive Saudis don't know how to lobby. They practically own the State Department. They certainly have well-deserved rep of rewarding their friends generously. and which many people feel was responsible for bringing the US into a series of never-ending "terrorist" wars. "many people" feel that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are historical documents and the Mossad did 9/11 too. Wouldn't you say the bombings of the embassies, Khobar Towers, the Cole, and 9/11 had a lot more to do with causing the US to engage in "terrorist" wars (why the scare quotes?) than AIPAC? Likewise, the neocons, who are largely Jewish The chief neocons in the Bush admin were named Cheney, Libbey and Rumsfield. Hardly Jewish.