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To: ExCane who wrote (5496)	2/28/2007 11:26:01 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

"If you say that the fact we are trying to "Westernize" jihadists is equivalent to them trying to get us to convert, dhimmify or be killed, I do not agree at all. " My comment about "Westernize" had to do with some comments by posters here who've said things like "When their women can drive then ..." and other such simplistic criterion. I hardly consider some of thethe extremists here to be any WE that I would consider representative of the Western perspective. God forbid. "However, I don't see us trying to "Westernize" them, just neutralize them and their effect. Now obviously this often takes military action due to the nature of the threat. Tell me if I get your meaning." I whole heartedly agree. "As far as peaceful muslims are concerned, I don't see complete genocide or subduing them as a desired or viable option, nor "founded upon good principles of our human nature" as you wrote. I do think they cannot remain silent, however, claiming islamophobia without first cleaning house (this is simplified but I am tired). " I agree with this too but I don't think realistic venues or criteria are in place for the speaking platforms many are requiring. This thread gets so silly that it is ridiculous. I do see some benefit in having sincere discussion with some of you but there are a few here who are obviously not to be taken seriously. If you disagree, I wont argue about it. Hawkmoon commented here on Ground Zero's 'nuke em all' post that appeared on another thread. I remarked to Hawkmoon here. I'm not sure what you've seen but I've seen plenty on this thread and others in which Ground Zero makes it abundantly clear he means his remarks to be all inclusive. If he wants to clarify that it is easy to do. There are lots of people on SI who regularly condemn the actions of Radical Extremists, that I agree with and I have personally posted way more condemnations of extremism than most. GZ is way over the edge on this one, what he Darren, and longnshort are doing is raw bigotry to the extreme ... I'm sorry to say. Anyway here is the silly context of GroundZero's comment and you may judge for your self. From: longnshort "an in the mosques the Imans tell them to preach that moderates rule, it's so they can slowly overtake us" Message 23306525 From: GROUND ZERO I say nuke 'em all... siliconinvestor.com One of many over the edge proclamations. If you think their tactics will lead to anything good, then I suppose we don't have much more to discuss.