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Politics : The Truth About Islam -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jlallen who wrote (5807)	3/5/2007 11:53:38 AM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

there are no moderates. They are a myth

To: jlallen who wrote (5807)	3/5/2007 12:06:20 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 20106

"Well, unfortunately, I have to disagree (respectfully) with you ... Not the first time, nor I expect it will be the last. I don't simply excuse people for their guilt by silence in all of this but I try to carry some understanding for people like I see residing here America, who are struggling with culture shock and trying to keep their heads above water in often hostile circumstance. Sending them out into the street to rave against the heinous attrocities regarding cultures they come from, and others that have no connection to them except religious affiliation, would almost for sure be worse than sending them to work in an office like yours with the expectation of acting civil and decent. Not everyone needs to rage about things to get the word out. And the word is out there on this issue. I don't expect every American to go out and act like AS, just because American efforts do not always produce immediate positive effects. I don't expect every Christian to drop the good things they are doing, to go out and go into a rage over some criminal act perpetrated by another Christian. "I don't hold Christianity to blame nor do I blame Catholic religious people who were not directly involved for the following, nor do I think every Christian leader needs to be on television ranting about it:" • In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups. For quite some time I heard only rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church. • Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated: "Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix. According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia. In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." Newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany, 10/10/96, 12:00. "Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children! In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdienst der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them." A.Manhattan, The Vatican's Holocaust, Springfield 1986. See also V.Dedijer, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Buffalo NY, 1992.