Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Ilaine who wrote (223355)	3/9/2007 11:40:02 AM
From: SARMAN	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Ilain how stupid are you? Do you think you can sell us this BS. If I hated Islam and Muslims, why would I hold up Salman Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and Irshad Manji as people to admire? Because they hate Islam too. It takes one to know one. Why would I complain about the lack of freedom for Muslim women? It give you amo to show your hate. Why would I say nice things about my mother's boss, an Iranian refugee from first the Shah, and then the Ayatollah? Because you do not want your mother end up living with you. Why would I deplore Muslims killing their brother Muslims? You are lying here. If I hated Muslims, I'd be glad they are killing each other, I'd be glad they are blowing themselves up, I'd be glad they are (in large part) impoverished and uneducated. But you are glad If I hated Muslims, I'd be glad that Westerners are afraid to invest in industry and infrastructure in the Middle East. If you do not invest in ME it doesn't others don't But I am not glad to see fellow human beings suffering. But you are. You strive on people miseries. Pointing out that they are suffering doesn't mean I hate them, and pointing out that they are (in many ways) causing their own suffering isn't due to hatred, either. Yet you support the cause of their suffering. Hypocrisy. My children have a future. My husband has a good job. I have personal freedom Muslim women only dream about. I wish the same for all of them, and everybody. At the cost of others

To: Ilaine who wrote (223355)	3/9/2007 12:26:25 PM
From: Katelew	Respond to of 281500

Thank you for your post. You make an excellent point here. I happen to agree with your list for the most part. Criticisms and observations re ME culture have been made by you, Carranza, even Nadine, that I happen to share. The problem for me is the TONE of many of the criticisms that come from the right-wingers on this thread. I consider most of the rhetoric to be overstatements and inflammatory. I tend to assume that most of such commentary is an effort to justify the war in Iraq as well as a continued focus on using military solutions to fight the war on terror. I believe you are concerned. I hope you can agree with me that in dealing with problems in the ME, it is essential that the facts be known. An example might be our discussion yesterday of Tunisia. I was trying to illustrate what I considered to be an improper conclusion and subsequent false statement of fact. In that vein, you might want to re-think your comment on Muslims being 'impoverished'.

To: Ilaine who wrote (223355)	3/11/2007 5:06:43 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 281500

Thanks you for that post, Ilaine. It is exactly what most of us feel and think. You were able to verbalize it better than most of us.

To: Ilaine who wrote (223355)	3/11/2007 5:44:28 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

Cobalt Blue. When you can say exactly the same things about Jews and Christians then you may become credible. Also, when the likes of KLP agree with you then you are certainly not credible. Have you tried to talk with someone who espouses Intelligent Design lately? Have you tried to understand how academics and government workers have their opinions squashed for being against the rightwing spin machine? Have you? Fix your own house first Cobalt Blue and stop hiding behind name changes.