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To: TigerPaw who wrote (74640)3/12/2007 9:17:38 AM
From: Crimson Ghost  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Leading Democrat denounces “idiot liberals” for demanding cutoff of war funds

By Barry Grey in Washington DC
12 March 2007

An incident occurred last week that revealed the real attitude of the Democratic Party leadership to the vast majority of the American people who are opposed to the war in Iraq and want to see it quickly ended.

Rep. David Obey (Democrat from Wisconsin), a 20-term congressman who chairs the powerful House Appropriations Committee in the new, Democratic-controlled 110th Congress, lashed out at the mother of a Marine and another antiwar activist when they approached him in a congressional corridor and asked if he planned to vote against a supplemental funding bill to finance the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Unfortunately for Obey and the Democratic Party, the entire exchange, which occurred March 5, was videotaped and posted on the YouTube Internet site. Last Thursday night a blogger sent the video clip to Washington reporters, and by Saturday it was being widely reported in the national press. The video can be accessed at www.grassrootsamerica4us.org.

Obey is the lead sponsor of a supplemental war funding bill announced last week by the Democratic leadership in the House of Representatives. The measure is an attempt by the Democrats to present a bill granting the Bush administration’s request for more than $100 billion to continue and escalate the war in Iraq as a plan to end the war.

It does this by attaching various conditions—none of which actually restrict the ability of the administration to further escalate the war—and stipulating that US combat troops must begin “redeploying” from Iraq by March 1, 2008 and completely withdraw by September 8 of next year. (See “Democrats’ “withdrawal” plan paves way to escalation of Iraq war”)

Even after that date, however, the bill would allow for the continued presence of tens of thousands of supposedly non-combat US troops in Iraq—to carry out “anti-terrorism” missions, protect US installations and train Iraqi forces. And Democratic leaders have stressed that their plan will allow the US to expand its military intervention in Afghanistan. As Obey himself stated, the Democratic bill “will essentially redirect more of our resources to the war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, fighting the right war in the right place...”

The video clip initially posted on YouTube shows a woman, later identified as Tina Richards, and a colleague approaching Obey outside his office in the Rayburn House Office Building. Richards explains that her son is a Marine who has served two tours of duty in Iraq and is facing a third tour. She tells Obey her son suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and has attempted to commit suicide. “It took us six months to get his first appointment with the VA (Veterans Administration),” she tells the congressman. “They told him after ten minutes it sounds like you have childhood issues.”

Obey responds politely, if somewhat curtly, clearly anxious to end the discussion. However, when Richards asks him if he plans to vote against the supplemental war spending bill, he grows increasingly agitated.

“Absolutely not,” he declares, “I’m the sponsor of the supplemental. We’re trying to use the supplemental to end the war.... You can’t end the war if you go against the supplemental. It’s time these idiot liberals understand that.”

Obey goes on to raise the standard pretext of “supporting the troops” (by continuing to send them into battle): “I’m not going to deny the troops body armor,” he says. He follows with another sophistry, pointing to the Democrats’ proposal to add nearly a billion dollars for medical care for soldiers and veterans to Bush’s war spending request as further justification for voting to fund the war. “I’m not going to deny funding for veterans’ hospitals and defense hospitals,” he declares, “That’s what you do if you vote against that bill.”

Richards attempts to speak, but Obey cuts her off, saying, “I hate the war. I voted against it to start with.... But we don’t have the votes to de-fund the war and we shouldn’t.”

When Richards raises an amendment, proposed by members of the House Democrats’ so-called “Out of Iraq Caucus,” to “fully fund the withdrawal of troops,” Obey shouts back, “That makes no sense.... The language we have in the resolution ends the authority for the war. It makes it illegal to proceed with the war. We don’t have to de-fund something if the war doesn’t exist.... The liberal groups are jumping around without knowing what the hell is in the bill.”

There is, in fact, nothing in the Democrats’ proposals, either in the House or the Senate, that makes the war illegal. How, indeed, could a bill that allocates another $100 billion to fund the war at the same time end the authority to wage it?

Obey grows even louder and more hysterical when Richards’ companion intervenes and says the Democrats could end the war by cutting off funding. “How, if you don’t have the votes?” Obey demands. “You can filibuster his [Bush’s] supplemental request,” the man replies. “There is no filibuster in the House,” Obey shoots back. “In the Senate they can do it,” the man responds. “All they need is 40 votes.”

This perfectly legitimate point, which highlights the lack of any serious support among congressional Democrats for action to end the war, is too much for Obey. “I’m sorry,” he declares, “I’m the sponsor of the bill that’s going to be on the floor and that bill ends the war. And if that’s not good enough for you, you’re smoking something illegal.... I’m not going to debate anymore. Go talk to somebody else. Goodbye.”

With that, the congressman rushes into his office and slams the door behind him.

On Friday, after the video had circulated among reporters and on Capitol Hill, Obey issued an apology, of sorts. “I respect their passion on the issue,” he said, “I wish they would respect mine. We are both frustrated, and that led us to have an argument that we never should have had because we both want an end to US involvement in that war. What divided us was the question of how.”

Obey also told the newspaper The Hill he was already under a great deal of pressure when the encounter occurred with the two antiwar activists because protesters had been sitting in at his Wisconsin district office. They had refused to leave and were arrested. “Let me be frank,” he told the newspaper, “That kind of encounter is the kind of frustration this stupid war is causing across the board.”

What Obey displayed toward his questioners was not mere frustration, but hostility and contempt. And the frustration Obey and the rest of the Democratic Party apparatus feel is not so much with the war, as with the mass popular opposition to the war.

The Democratic Party is entirely complicit in this colonialist enterprise, and fully defends the imperialist aims that underlie it. But having ridden to power in Congress on the back of the massive antiwar vote cast by the American electorate last November, the Democrats have the task of appearing to oppose the war while opposing any action that would lead to an outright defeat for the United States in the Middle East.

Obey’s assertion that he and the rest of the Democratic leadership are in agreement with the American people on ending “US involvement in that war,” and that the only question is how to do it, is false. The majority of Americans want to withdraw US troops and end the slaughter now because they know the war is based on lies and they sense it is being waged for deeply reactionary ends. Increasingly, they associate the war with the assault on their jobs, living standards and democratic rights.

The Democrats are critical of the war because it has produced a military and political disaster for US imperialism. As they repeatedly insist, they are just as committed as Bush to “success” in Iraq—meaning the suppression of the Iraqi resistance and the achievement of the basic war aims of the intervention, beginning with the establishment of US domination of the country’s vast oil reserves.

The difference between these two positions is not a matter of means or tactics, but an expression of the irreconcilable conflict between the interests of the American ruling elite and those of the working class.



To: TigerPaw who wrote (74640)3/12/2007 2:32:09 PM
From: LTK007  Respond to of 89467
 
NeoconsTriumphant!!)(VNG:( But the Hard-Reality is U.S.Neocons and Israeli Hardliners have had a HUGE VICTORY today. Russia has surrenderd to the WILL of the Neocons.
Putin again shows when push comes to shove he does what U.S. demands.Not only that but more, Putin has now stepped up to HOSTILE verbiage against Iran.Putin is cooperating now fully with operation "squeeze Iran to death". Isolate them from the world.Only China is showing signs of resistance to U.S. WILL.
Putin every action betrays wholely his attack on U.S. as Unipolar. How, by ultimately kowtowing to U.S.
Iran is virtually alone now. China their last hope, but China will never support Iran against the WILL of U.S not with the Beijing 2008 Olympics coming.
These are the realities that are revealing themselves as this plays out.
What will Iran do when they have zero allies beyond Venezuela??????????
All U.S./BUSH/NEOCON WILL is being SURRENDERED to by the U.N. powers.
Neocons/Israeli Hardliners must be dancing and singing happily at this double barreled shot-gun blast of Russia into the stomach of Iran.
Todays official to virtualy official political press releases can only be read one way, Putin to Iran "We are betraying you and we are now onboard with the U.S. Neocons and there drive to overthrow you.Sorry bout that"
If any can see this other than Russia pulling the rug from under Iran let me know because i see this as a giant step by Russia to see Iran's regime changed has is The Desire of the NEOCONS.

i have read this twice now i can see this as nothing but HUGE VICTORY for BOTH U.S. and Israeli NEOCONS: thanks to Putin.

The sources are coming through channels used by both Kremlin and Putin.

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Russia's patience wearing thin with ally Iran
Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:41 PM IST

By Guy Faulconbridge

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Iran's isolation over its nuclear ambitions deepened on Monday as Russia, its closest big power ally, announced indefinite delays to a joint nuclear power project and accused Tehran of abusing its goodwill.

Russia has defied Western concerns to supply arms to Iran, help build the Bushehr nuclear power station and water down sanctions against Tehran in the United Nations, but is now signalling its patience with Iran's leadership is wearing thin.

Atomstroiexport, the state-owned contractor helping build the Bushehr plant, said the first fuel deliveries would not go ahead as planned this month and that the scheduled September launch date would not now be met either.

The contractor said the delays were caused by a payment row but observers in Moscow said the project was, in effect, being mothballed because of political sensitivities.

The United States -- which suspects Iran of accumulating nuclear know-how to build a bomb -- has for years urged Moscow to halt the project but the Kremlin refused. Iran denies it is seeking a nuclear weapon.

"The timeframe has been moved and so the launch cannot happen in September -- we simply cannot do it. If we can't launch the station in September then we cannot deliver the fuel according to the old timetable either," said Irina Yesipova, a spokeswoman for Atomstroiexport.

That announcement came as Russian news agencies quoted what they called an informed source in Moscow accusing Tehran of exploiting Russia's diplomatic support while making no concessions in return.

"Unfortunately, the Iranians are abusing our constructive relations and have done nothing to convince our colleagues of the consistency of Tehran's policies," the source was quoted as saying.

BACK-CHANNEL

*****There was no indication of the source's identity but the source's remarks were reported by all three of Russia's main news agencies. Senior officials often use them as a back-channel for sending messages to foreign governments.****

"We are suffering losses in terms of foreign policy and our image while they stand their ground," the source was quoted as saying.

"If they do not respond to the questions of the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency), let them answer for themselves."

"They cannot play on our methodical good relations eternally and they need to understand that."

Russia's holds the key to future U.N. sanctions on Iran because it holds a veto in the Security Council and has used its influence to soften previous measures.

The five permanent members of the Council -- the United States, France, Britain, China and Russia -- plus Germany are discussing imposing new sanctions on Iran.

The United States voiced scepticism on Monday about Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's wish to go before the Council to defend Iran's civilian nuclear plans.

"I'm not sure what purpose that would serve," said State Department spokesman Tom Casey.

"The issue here is not explaining Iran's presumed right to civilian nuclear power, the issue here is getting at international community concerns about Iran's nuclear programs and its pursuit of nuclear weapons," Casey told reporters.

Insiders in Russia's foreign policy establishment say they are convinced that confronting Iran over its nuclear programme will not work and that engagement is the best approach.



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To: TigerPaw who wrote (74640)3/13/2007 8:26:25 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
A panel of experts convened by Rolling Stone agree that the war in Iraq is lost. The only question now is: How bad will the coming explosion be?
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Beyond Quagmire

The panel consists of some genuine heavy weights:

Zbigniew Brzezinski
National security adviser to President Carter

Richard Clarke
Counterterrorism czar from 1992 to 2003

Nir Rosen
Author of In the Belly of the Green Bird, about Iraq’s spiral into civil war, speaking from Cairo, where he has been interviewing Iraqi refugees

Gen. Tony McPeak (retired)
Member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Gulf War

Bob Graham
Former chair, Senate Intelligence Committee

Chas Freeman
Ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War; president of the Middle East Policy Council

Paul Pillar
Former lead counterterrorism analyst for the CIA

Michael Scheuer
Former chief of the CIA’s Osama bin Laden unit; author of Imperial Hubris

Juan Cole
Professor of modern Middle East history at the University of Michigan

READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE HERE:

rollingstone.com