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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (10369)	3/14/2007 12:26:19 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36917

INTERVIEW - Scientist Says Sea Level Rise Could Accelerate -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AUSTRALIA: March 13, 2007 HOBART, Australia - Data from satellites is showing that sea-level rises and polar ice-melting might be worse than earlier thought, a leading oceanographer said on Monday. Sea levels, rising at 1 millimetre a year before the industrial revolution, are now rising by 3 millimetres a year because of a combination of global warming, polar ice-melting and long natural cycles of sea level change. "All indications are that it's going to get faster," said Eric Lindstrom, head of oceanography at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), told Reuters on the sidelines of a global oceans conference in Hobart. Rapid advances in science in the past five years on polar ice-sheet dynamics had yet to filter through into scientific models, Lindstrom said. He also pointed to huge splits in Antarctic ice shelves in 2002, then seen as once-in-100-year events that created icebergs bigger than some small countries. The mega icebergs were first thought not to affect global sea levels because the ice broke off from shelves already floating on the surface of the ocean. But the disintegration of ice shelves that had blocked the flow of ice from the Antarctic continent could allow sudden flows by glaciers into the ocean, raising sea-levels. "What we're learning is that ice isn't slow. Things can happen fast," Lindstrom said. "If the (polar) ice sheets really get involved, then we're talking tens of metres of sea level -- that could really start to swamp low-lying countries," he said. A report by the UN climate panel released last month cited six models with core projections of sea level rises ranging from 28 to 43 cms (11.0-16.9 inches) by 2100. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change also said temperatures were likely to rise by 2-4.5 Celsius (3.6-8.1 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels if carbon dioxide concentrations are kept at 550 parts per million in the atmosphere, against about 380 now. The "best estimate" for the rise is about 3C (5.4F). The report, which brought together 2,500 researchers from more than 130 nations, said Antarctica was likely to stay too cold for wide surface melting and is expected to gain in mass due to more snow. Story by Michael Byrnes planetark.org

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (10369)	3/14/2007 10:07:30 AM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

Yes as you post there is no correlation between CO2 and global warming. And water vapor make air less dense and it rises and become ice crystals that are one of the most perfectly reflective molecules of solar radiation. All that solar radiation never reaches the surface. But it seem so many are too nerve and brain dead to understand or feel the difference between the sun in clear sky or behind cloulds. It is truly funny. What does the lag of CO2 behind temperature in ice cores tell us about global warming? That no one understands that when there is nothing implied it means simply nothing is implied and nothing is proved. The fact that all climate modules cannot predict the past or the present using a CO2 correlation models proves only stupid folks yell fire when there is no flame and not even any smoke.