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To: FJB who wrote (224526)	3/17/2007 11:09:32 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 281500

Science has't become political; popular science has become political. Cuz Exxon and Phillip Morris made it that way in public. The IPCC reports are fairly candid about what we collectively know and where the uncertainties probably lie. In the first category are findings that are not in dispute, not even by les refusards: • Concentrations of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide, methane, ozone, and nitrous oxide are increasing owing to fossil-fuel consumption and biomass burning. Carbon dioxide has increased from its pre-industrial level of about 280 parts per million (ppmv) to about 380 ppmv today, an increase of about 35 percent. From ice-core RECORDS, it is evident that present levels of CO2 exceed those experienced by the planet at any time over at least the past 650,000 YEARS. • Concentrations of certain anthropogenic aerosols have also increased owing to industrial activity. • The earth’s average surface TEMPERATURE has increased by about 1.2°F in the past century, with most of the increase occurring from about 1920 to 1950, and again beginning around 1975. The year 2005 was the warmest in the instrumental record. • Sea level has risen by about 2.7 inches over the past 40 YEARS; of this, a little over an inch occurred during the past decade. • The annual mean geographical extent of arctic sea ice has decreased by 15 to 20 percent since satellite measurements of this began in 1978. Message 23212625

To: FJB who wrote (224526)	3/17/2007 12:37:58 PM
From: neolib	Respond to of 281500

Science has become political. You want to ignore the data. If you ignore ice core samples, then you ignore the history and data of the earth. CO2 is a positive feedback gas from warming, it increases as a result of warmer climates, and also causes the climate to warm if it magically can be injected from some other source. What problem are we facing today?

To: FJB who wrote (224526)	3/17/2007 1:08:15 PM
From: steve harris	Respond to of 281500

man made global warming is the biggest hoax to come along since the next ice age in the 70s.

To: FJB who wrote (224526)	3/17/2007 1:49:19 PM
From: briskit	Respond to of 281500

I'd like to see a website with a bracket like March madness, but for competing crisis issues. I'd suggest different brackets for political, environmental, social, economic, etc. (Taxes could be both political and economic, depending on your party affiliation.) Award points for picking the advancing issues, Vegas could post odds and betting proceeds go to the causes. Carbon set offs are becoming popular. In bars all across America, "so, uh, what's your carbon setoff? We should share a taxi home." Speaking of "popularity" deciding what is science, how about Gore winning an academy. That was one of the worst things to happen to the movement, maybe the kiss of death. Unfortunately, the global warming movement is only secondarily concerned about the temperature of the planet. Otherwise you'd see folks taking a lot more action themselves, rather than posturing and buying indulgences.