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To: maceng2 who wrote (21)3/17/2007 5:59:28 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 49151
 
Catalyst could help turn CO2 into fuel (Algae does that)

A long rant about facts, persuasion, and global warming
Posted by David Roberts at 12:09 PM on 16 Mar 2007
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On Wed. night in New York City, there was a formal debate. At issue was the statement, "global warming is not a crisis." David Biello sets the scene:

Arguing for the motion were the folksy (and tall) Michael Crichton, the soft-spoken Richard Lindzen and the passionate Philip Stott. Arrayed against were the moderate Brenda Ekwurzel, the skeptical Gavin Schmidt and the perplexed Richard Somerville. (Note: all the adjectives are mine.)
The hosts took a poll of attendees before and after the debate. The percentage of people who thought global warming is a crisis dropped by about 10 percent, from 57% to 46%. Team Crichton was more persuasive. The audience emerged more sanguine about climate change, not less. (You can get the transcript PDF here; a podcast should be coming shortly.)

What went wrong?

Over at RealClimate, Gavin Schmidt offers a recap, in which he says:

The organisers asked us afterwards whether we'd have done much different in hindsight. Looking back, the answer is mostly no. We are scientists, and we talk about science and we're not going start getting into questions of personal morality and wider political agendas - and obviously that put us at a sharp disadvantage ...
Yeah, that sounds like what went wrong. When Gavin says "questions of personal morality and wider political agendas," I think he just means, "all that stuff that's not science." He knows science, he's trained in science, he's confident in the accuracy of his scientific judgments, so that's what he's sticking with -- even if it means losing a debate, and with it a chance to change some minds.

I think that is a huge mistake, and Gavin is far, far from the only one making it. It's not just scientists who do it, either. Many people in the environmental field -- and I'd even generalize to progressives, broadly speaking -- seem to be operating on a set of assumptions:

The facts, organized and clearly conveyed, should carry the day.
When facts do not change minds, more facts are required, perhaps delivered more slowly.
When facts do not change hearts, more facts are required, perhaps delivered more loudly.
Those not swayed by facts are intellectually, possibly morally, deficient.
If sticking (merely) to the facts means losing a debate, well, that's the price of virtue.
On climate change, scientists and greens have been repeating the facts for decades. The facts have been firmly established, and placed clearly before The People. What more do they want?! Clearly this grim state of affairs can be traced to intellectual deficiencies in the media, among politicians, and throughout the general population. Why can't the masses be as smart as us?

Gavin says he prefers the internet, where there's more room, and time, to make a case. His commenters suggest a variety of ways in which Team Crichton could be forced into a venue and a set of rules where only documented empirical facts are allowed. Then we could totally bury their pathetic facts in our fact avalanche!

But listen, once and for all: people just don't f**king work that way. Science is a rarified language, a way of thinking that requires focus and intellectual training. It is unnatural for human beings to think purely in terms of empirical observation, testable theory, and replicable results. We spent the vast majority of our evolutionary history bereft of statistics and probabilities. To think in a completely open and unbiased way, unaffected by tribe or predilection, by emotion or subconscious impulse, is a difficult skill that almost by definition will not be widespread among the public. Many who apply themselves to it fail; most never make the effort.

And that's not a tragedy. It's perfectly appropriate for the practice of science, as conducted in labs, the field, and peer-reviewed journals, to hew to this strict set of rules. But how utterly unbearable life would be if we had to talk and think that way everywhere, in all areas of our lives.

There seems to be a presumption among greens that there's something wrong with the other 95% of human communication. As though narrative, humor, mockery, surprise, outrage, seduction, fear, wonder, envy, braggadocio, love of family and country, physicality, altruism -- as though all of these tools of persuasion are to be clumped under the rubric "irrational" while facts and facts alone qualify as "rational."

It's absurd. It's like fighting with one hand tied behind your back -- in a fight with incredibly high stakes!

What if I was in the debate and I led with a joke about Crichton's conspiracy theories. Said that agents of the environmental cabal were waiting for him out by the car. Time for some reprogramming. Ha ha. Ad hominem? Yes, if you judge by the standards of logic. Beside the point? Yes, if the point is a recitation of facts.

But it's not meant to be logical or illogical, factual or non-factual. It's meant to make people laugh, which is a tribal act of identification. It's meant to establish dominance over Crichton in the social pecking order of the room. It's meant to portray an air of confidence. None of that is about facts, but it is about engaging the full human being rather than merely the frontal cortex.

I mean, the debate was about whether something's a "crisis"! Gavin tries to claim otherwise in the comments, but in this case Roger Pielke Jr. is dead right -- whether something counts as a "crisis" is obviously an undefined mix of fact and value judgment. It's not a scientific question.

To broaden the point a bit: Whether or not anyone wants it to be true, it's just a fact that when you leave the laboratory and communicate outside of scientific journals, you are always and already engaging your audience on the level of affect and archetype, ethics and aesthetics, pack status and pecking order, tone and bearing -- yes, even "questions of personal morality and wider political agendas." You can pretend you're "sticking to the scientific facts," but all you're doing is communicating on all those other levels poorly. You're sending implicit messages you don't want to send, and most of all you're failing to persuade.

This isn't about Gavin, it's about all of us, a movement that has spent so long repeating and repeating facts on the faith that eventually the media and industry and government are going to start playing by our rules and the facts will "get through." Collectively, we lack emotional intelligence.

It's time for us to learn how -- or to find those within our ranks who already know how -- to make people laugh, and cry, and gasp with surprise, and shout with anger, and swell with confidence and hope. Yes, we could stand to entertain people. What the hell is wrong with being entertaining?

If we really believe global warming is a dire problem, we need people to start acting. We don't just need their intellectual assent, we need their sense of responsibility, their passion, their imagination, and their leadership. We need the full range of human engagement, and facts alone will never generate that.

Update [2007-3-16 15:0:14 by David Roberts]: I meant to point out that Pat Joseph also had good comments on this.
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To: maceng2 who wrote (21)3/26/2007 12:28:31 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 49151
 
The Petition: A Global Warming Case Study
by
Bruce C. Allen and Clyde Freeman Herreid
University at Buffalo, State University of New York

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“Sign it, Mike!” Professor Dan Carlson’s suggestion was unequivocal. “So it’s overstated, maybe a little extreme. So what? Sign the petition or crumple it up and throw it out. Either way, let’s get back to work!” Dan had little time or patience for paperwork.

“It is not just an exaggerated statement. There are ethical concerns,” geophysicist Michael King responded. The meeting was not going as he expected. He had hoped to rally the other faculty members of the Geology Department against an organization named the Petition Project. Yet, after only five minutes of this special staff meeting, his hopes were rapidly fading.

Dan spoke again. “You know that 11,000 years ago a glacier covered North America. That icesheet is gone because Earth warmed up without any influence from mankind or our industries. Cooling and warming cycles have occurred repeatedly over Earth’s history. There is paleoclimatological evidence that suggests variations in Earth’s spin axis and orbital shape drive climatic oscillations or it may be directly related to solar output. But now, because the environmentalists have cast Nature and Mother Earth as victims, the blame falls to the ‘evil humans.’ Well, that thinking is misguided at best. It is not science. It’s political correctness.”

“Nevertheless,” Toni Daniels was not one to keep quiet when a good argument presented itself, “a global warming trend is emerging that can’t be dismissed out of hand! Until recently, it was questionable that temperatures have risen significantly over the past century. It looked like clouds and aerosols were offsetting any atmospheric warming generated by greenhouse gases. But the evidence is mounting and is already quite convincing. An ongoing project in the Arctic, named Ice Station Sheba, has found the pack ice is thinning rapidly. It is 100 miles further north than expected and is only 7 feet thick. That is 3 feet less than expected. These findings are supported by measurements of reduced salinity in the upper strata of the Arctic Ocean. If that isn’t enough, now the weather service says this is the warmest year on record. And a recent tree ring study indicates this is the warmest decade in 600 years. Also, there are indications that heat-driven weather phenomena, such as cyclonic storms and El Nino episodes, are escalating in frequency and intensity. These signs of climatic change correlate well with the 25% rise in atmospheric CO2 levels above the pre-Industrial age value. So, regardless of the root cause, it is likely greenhouse gases play a role in global warming.”

There was a momentary pause as Dan and those that sided with him tried to think of a strong counter-argument. Michael took the opportunity to restate his problem. “Look, there is more to this than who is right and who is wrong about global warming. In front of you are copies of the letter and petition I received yesterday morning. The project is an effort to convince Congress to reject the United Nations-backed Kyoto Treaty. If ratified, the treaty would limit the use of fossil fuels, such as coal and oil, by approximately one-third of the 1990 levels by the year 2012. The projected result is a drop of 10% or less in greenhouse gas emissions, particularly carbon dioxide (CO2), by industrialized nations. Listen to this excerpt from the cover letter which was signed by a past president of the National Academy of Sciences:

This treaty is, in our opinion, based upon flawed ideas. Research data on climate change do not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful.

“Sounds reasonable, doesn’t it? In fact, it echoes my thoughts on the matter. Now listen to the actual petition:”

The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

“There’s the problem. It is not opposition to the Kyoto Treaty. It is the premise on which that opposition is based. I find it hard to believe this petition is being circulated by professional scientists. This kind of melodramatic absoluteness sounds like the language of a would-be religious prophet.”

Michael continued, “If that were the end of it, maybe it would be better to ignore the petition rather than draw attention to it. However, it gets worse. Again, in the stacks in front of you, you’ll find copies of an unpublished professional paper. The authors are from the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) and the George C. Marshall Institute. However, the format is an exact duplicate of that used by the Proceedings of National Academy of Sciences. The apparent intent is to make the paper appear as though it has been through the peer-review process. In my mind, the overstated case—coupled with the misrepresented paper—is outright fraud! What really disturbs me are the Internet websites for the Marshall Institute and for OISM. Both sites present a biased perspective on global warming and the OISM page contains a list of several thousand supporters’ names. Among them are some of the country’s top scientists. I believe the scenario has been engineered to convince Congress and the public that the sponsor’s position represents a consensus of the scientific community.”

“Well, it seems perfectly reasonable to me,” said paleontologist Robert Peters. “I intend to support it.” As the senior member of the department, Peters’ opinion carried considerable weight. “In fact, I think the department should support it.” Michael’s arguments seemed to be falling on deaf ears though, by this time, he was no longer surprised.

“Maybe there are ethics issues,” Peters continued, “but maybe a little white lie or two is just what we need. The public has been brainwashed into believing that anything on the evening news is truth. The media has been pushing global warming for its sensationalistic value. All the dire predictions are emphasized, while the arguments against global warming are ignored. It is never mentioned that global temperatures were higher in medieval times when grapes were growing in Scotland and the Vikings inhabited Greenland. Civilization wasn’t destroyed then and the coastal lands were not inundated. I think we owe it to the public to set the record straight. If that means fighting fire with fire, then so be it.”

“Isn’t it our responsibility as scientists to present a balanced picture of the facts as we understand them?” Michael countered. “Grand standing and extreme advocacy are hallmarks of politics, not science. I am not convinced that support is the appropriate response.”

Dan Carlson was a friend of Michael’s. He felt he may have been too harsh earlier, so he tried a more moderate tone. “Michael, you’ve been following my research. You know that I’ve been working with Global Circulation Models for years now. If I have learned one thing, it’s that we can’t yet model atmospheric physics well enough to predict next year’s weather, let alone the climate of the next century. We simply don’t know Earth’s level of climatic sensitivity to the input parameters like solar output, volcanos, clouds, aerosols or the suspect gases. In fact, we don’t even know that we have identified all the parameters. We have to ‘tune’ the models significantly just to get them to represent anything near reality. That doesn’t leave me with much confidence in predictions based on their output. I say let’s not do anything we might regret later, like limit the use of fossil fuels.”

Toni Daniels clearly sided with Michael. She had a strong background in physical geography. “We must be advocates for truth and nothing else. Promoting a cause through deception is exactly what the petition backers are doing by adopting that level of advocacy. Besides, they are simply wrong. As I already stated, there is ample evidence for global warming. More importantly, we are running out of time to avert disaster. It no longer matters whether or not anthropogenic greenhouse gases are the fundamental cause of global warming. We all know their effect, so we all know that controlling their emission will at least help reduce the rate of warming. The Kyoto Treaty may not be perfect but it is better than nothing! We certainly cannot support any petition that opposes it or that takes an anti-global warming posture!” Toni was adamant. Michael was impressed by her, although he did not agree with everything she said.

Dan responded. “Claims of impending disaster are certainly unjustified! Even if it turns out that manmade carbon dioxide is the primary cause of global warming, the prospects for the future may not be all that bleak. My garden is full of plants bigger and healthier than I have ever seen before. Agronomists are claiming that plants everywhere are experiencing the same effect because of increased atmospheric carbon dioxide. This could mean restoration of our rain forests due to the increased growth rates of trees. Higher grain yields would mean more food for more people. Deserts could become greener. Areas under ice and snow in the high latitudes could open up. New lands would be available for human occupation. Remember, carbon dioxide levels have risen only 25% in over 200 years. An offsetting amount of new vegetation is entirely possible and could bring the system back under control, limiting the average global temperature to roughly its current level…. So, Michael, why would we want to block an effort to stop the Kyoto Treaty?”

“Dan, I am concerned about scientific integrity….”

Study Questions
What is meant by the term “global warming” and why may it be a problem?
What is the most probable cause of “global warming”?
What lines of evidence support or refute “global warming”?
Can we do anything about “global warming”?

References
Print
Jones, Philip D., and Wigley, Tom M. L., 1990. “Global Warming Trends.” Scientific American, August 1990, pp. 84–91.
Mahlman, J. D., 1997. “Uncertainties in Projections of Human-Caused Climate Warming.” Science, vol. 278, 21 November 1997, pp. 1416–1417.
Schneider, Stephen H., 1989. “The Changing Climate.” Scientific American, September 1989, pp. 70–79.
Suplee, Curt, 1998. “Unlocking the Climate Puzzle.” National Geographic, vol. 193, no. 5, May 1998, pp. 38–71.
Internet
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
noaa.gov
Environmental Protection Agency
epa.gov
American Geophysical Union
earth.agu.org
USGS Global Change Research Program
geochange.er.usgs.gov
Global Warming Information Home Page
globalwarming.org
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine
oism.org

Revised: 09/06/02 nas

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To: maceng2 who wrote (21)4/19/2007 7:10:40 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 49151
 
Save Our Oceans, Eat Like a Pig
For the 'forage fish' shopper. Let's stop wasting tasty fish on animal feed.
By Jennifer Jacquet
Published: April 17, 2007


TheTyee.ca
Thirty-six per cent of all marine fish caught are used to feed animals, according to a new study on forage fish from the Sea Around Us project at the UBC Fisheries Centre. "Forage fish" were so named because they often wind up as meals for other fish, marine mammals, or birds. Today we catch 30 million tonnes of these small, wild fish and grind them up into fish meal and oil to feed chicken, fish, and pigs.

Dr. Daniel Pauly, co-author of the report with Drs. Jackie Alder and Reg Watson, has come to disagree with the label "forage fish," which he views as synonymous with waste. "We should never have followed the fish meal industry on the slippery slope of naming edible fish 'forage fish' in the first place," says Pauly. "These fish could provide humans with large quantities of protein but we waste them by using them as raw material for fish meal."
A half-century ago, less than ten per cent of fish caught were used to make into fish meal. Pigs and chickens were fed mostly grains and fish farming was a cottage industry. Today, with fisheries in much dire straits and a heightened awareness about global malnutrition, why are we turning more than one-third of our marine fish into powdered pig feed? One part of the answer is that fish meal is price competitive with soymeal and other grain feeds because the fish are caught in developing countries willing to take low prices for the fish.
The other part of the answer is that, particularly in the Americas, many of the "forage fish" species, such as blue whiting, herring, sardines and anchovies have simply gotten a bad rap. These little fish are perfectly tasty but need a facelift in the marketplace. Consumers and governments must be convinced that it is more efficient, lucrative, and ecological to instead feed pigs, chickens, and fish a plant-based diet -- and for people to forage on forage fish instead. The price for such fish will rise as they are used for table fish rather than fish meal, and the result might well be fewer fish scoured from oceans, more people better fed, and more income for developing nations.
Enter Dr. Patricia Majluf from Lima, Peru.
Extreme fish makeover
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Majluf works with fur seals and penguins off the Peruvian coast, where she "saw an ever reducing resilience to El Nino events in these populations, largely due to availability of Peruvian anchovy."
The Peruvian anchovy fishery began around 1950 and since then has contributed, at times, up to half of the world's fish meal. Much of this fish meal is used to feed farmed fish farms in China as well as livestock and farmed salmon ("floating pig farms" says Pauly).
Yet, as Peru exports roughly 8 to 10 million tonnes of anchovy each year, half of its population, 15 million people, lives under conditions of critical poverty. Majluf found it illogical that Peru has 25% infantile malnourishment and yet "millions of tons of fish is taken from the ocean and fed to pigs and fish."
"But Peruvians are finicky eaters," explained Majluf. "The government had been trying to get them to eat anchovies for years and they made some pretty nasty products that didn't taste good."
Majluf then found a way to generate more money for the Peruvian economy, feed more people, and leave more anchovies for marine life. She got herself introduced to the top chef in Lima, Gaston Acurio, who is pushing Peruvian cuisine to gain global status. Majluf, Chef Acurio, and a team of others inspired a media frenzy with the launch of their "Discover the Anchovy" campaign last December -- a week of anchovy cuisine inspired by a fusion of "biodiversity and gastronomy."
Fish meal into a meal of fish
During Discover the Anchovy week, 18,000 people tasted anchovies at more than 30 restaurants in Lima, the nation's capital. Majluf then sealed the meal when, late last year, Peruvian President Alan Garcia broadcast his meal of anchovies on television. The president had single-handedly inspired Peruvians to eat chicken in the early 1980s, so too, he got his nation salivating for a new fish.
Since his television appearance, the president has hosted several more anchovy dinners at his palace. "The government has fully embraced using anchovies for food," explains Majluf. "Now 30 per cent of their budget, or about US$80 million, for food security programs will go to supplying anchovies."
Anchovies are also making more money for the Peruvian economy as canned fillets rather than as fish meal. One tonne of fillets is sold for five times the price of one tonne of meal and requires half the fish (three tonnes for one tonne of fillets versus six tonnes for one tonne of meal).
'Morally repugnant'
Peru faces many challenges in turning fish meal to a meal of fish, including how to address their excess capacity in fish meal processing plants, how to politically strategize for the long-term, and how to move toward ecosystem-based rather than single-species management. But Majluf is optimistic.
"The majority of people didn't know [anchovies] or that there was a different wonderful way to look at them," says Majluf. And many countries "now want [Peruvian] fish rather than turn it into meal." She believes Peruvian anchovies have potential in Spanish, African, and Chinese markets, though she has less hope for her neighbors. "Chile needs all the fish meal they can get to feed their farmed salmon," which Majluf believes is the top priority of the Chilean government.
The fishers in Peru will not see many immediate economic gains of the fish makeover since they are "price-takers." But, according to Pauly, "[fishers] will regain some dignity because wasting fish is morally repugnant." And they might get to eat anchovies rather than only catch them.
"Anchovies are really nutritious," says Majluf. "Now there are fresh anchovies in every market in Lima and they're cheap." Majluf now eats a plate of anchovies for lunch or dinner almost daily. The Peruvian example serves as an inspiration to make a real meal of our fish and thus literally eat like a pig.
Related Tyee stories:
Consumers Alone Can't Save Our Fish
It'll take a boat load of votes, too.
Fish Crash No Surprise
But it's not too late for us to spring into action.
A Fish Farm Critic Vindicated
New research bolsters Morton's claims of sea lice devastation.

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Baked Fillets of Mackerel with Lemon and Spices

Ingredients 4 small mackerel, filleted Pinch of salt and freshly ground black pepper Juice of 1 lemon 1 chili pepper 1/2 teaspoon coriander seeds, crushed Sunflower oil

Method
Pre-heat the oven to gas mark 5, 375°F (190°C).
Wash the mackerel fillets and pat dry with kitchen paper. Place them on a board, skin side down, and season with salt, pepper and half the lemon juice.
Cut the chili pepper in half lengthways, de-seed (wash your hands after this, and do not touch your eyes), then finely chop the flesh.
Scatter the chili and coriander over the mackerel and lightly rub into the flesh of the fish. Leave for 30 minutes.
Lightly oil a baking dish. Close the fillets, as you would an open book, place in the baking dish, sprinkle with the remaining lemon juice and a little oil and dust with pepper.
Bake uncovered for 20 to 30 minutes until the fillets are cooked.

Serve immediately.



To: maceng2 who wrote (21)4/30/2007 5:21:49 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 49151
 
Oceans Of Abundance?

You've “Allowed” The Abundant Seas To Be Emptied & Contaminated.
by The Old Hippie So That You Can No Longer Claim Ignorance Of This Undeniable Reality.
The ugly, and so far denied, reality of the coming die-offs from the “allowed” destruction of multiple levels of the planets environments by the corporatists' efforts for extreme profits, (which are undeniably supported, and protected by the current criminal-uber-profiteering administration,) beyond the point of the “allowed” deaths of humans, animals, and environments, is the reality we are all already facing. The (purposeful?) resource wars have begun. Energy we all know about, but seafood, land-food, water, and the over-all environmental resource wars are all still “unknown” to the great majority of the masses.


This posting is centered on just one of them - The no-longer-abundant seas and oceans. In the coming days I will provided postings on the other areas. I provide my usual links-of-proof, (many new, some from earlier postings,) “Below The Fold.” Please - Read them, absorb the words’ implications, and realities, for not just yours, but everyone's futures - Do anything and everything you can do to stop them - Otherwise, I sincerely believe that it is not hyperbole or bombast to say that “doom & gloom” just won't adequately cover our shared futures.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = < B e l o w T h e F o l d > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

The Links of Proof: [ -If you can, please spread these links to others - Thank you- ]

- “Still Waters - The Global Fish Crisis”
by National Geographic, April 2007 Issue

- “Loss of Coral May Cause Food Supply Crisis”
Steve Connor, Science Editor, The Independent/UK, via CommonDreams.org, 4/4/07

- “Climate And Ocean Scientists Put Under New Speech Restraints”
by PEER (Public Employs for Environmental Responsibility) 4/3/07

- “150 ‘Dead Zones’ Counted in Oceans”
by MSNBC 3/29/07

- Oceans: Habitat Destruction - Coral Reefs
by NCPA (National Center for Policy Analysis)

- Where You Can Buy Seafood In Your Country To Support Sustainable Oceans
by The Marine Stewardship Council

- Connecting The Dots
by The Students For The Earth Blog

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