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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (224923)	3/21/2007 4:52:18 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

We're working on her head. She's too moderate for NorCal.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (224923)	3/21/2007 5:13:31 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Thinking that we've lost, or thinking that the the idea of a "win" is so poorly defined as to be illusory at this point, is NOT to "want" us to lose." For the people who hold that view, it's simply a realization that things are either unwinnable, or not worth "winning" at this point- i.e. that the cost of a "win"- however one defines the win, is just too great. I have never met a person who wanted the US to fail. Most people, the vast majority, were for the war initially- it wasn't until it started looking so horrible that support fell off. Support didn't fall off because people started hating the US or the military; it fell off because people hate the situation we are in. It is not to "not care", but it is to think the situation is just too screwed up to keep beavering away at. Now you can say people who feel that way are wrong about how they see the picture- but they aren't failing to support the troops (they just don't want anymore people dying on a mission they see as hopeless), and you can't say they "want" to fail- they feel we have failed, and throwing more money and lives at the situation is an exercise in futility. It would be nice if you could some day realize that people every bit as patriotic and solider-loving as you are, feel the opposite way about this war as you do, merely because they see it as a lost cause.