To: pgerassi who wrote (922 ) 3/23/2007 9:57:22 AM From: TimF Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1141 So you are wrong. You should be more careful when saying other people are wrong, because by saying so you are wrong. Notice I lead with "Unless methanol gives much worse gas mileage your list doesn't seem very accurate." So asserting, or even proving that methanol gives worse gas mileage doesn't make me wrong. I know ethanol has a lower energy density. OTOH it allows for a higher compression ratio and has other advantages, that make up for at least some of those differences. I've seen claims of gas mileage that was no worse than gasoline. I'm not really I haven't seen a really large scale controlled study, so I'm mainly going by anecdotal evidence. I'm not sure if its accurate or not. I had less information about methanol. Driving 5 minutes to the local store is a commute. No! Its a local stop at the store. I was assuming you where working at the store. Shopping at the store isn't a commute, but we were talking about people going to work. Even using your definition, which I don't accept, 2.8 hours ia an outlier for any metro area in the US. Not from LA's expanding suburbs to the city (or vice versa). I said for any metro area. That includes all commutes in the metro area. You can't cherry pick part of them, and then say when you look at just this part, then the commutes might not be an extreme outlier. Even in the LA metro area the percentage of people who commute 2.8 hours or more each way is very low. Again all your information shows is that such commutes, or even longer commutes aren't mythical. I never said they where. Some people do indeed have such long commutes, but they are a very tiny percentage of all commuters in the country, and a relatively small percentage of all commuters in any metro area.